We don’t need to know where nothing came from

I was impressed with Lawrence Krauss’s lecture “A universe from nothing” given at the AAI (Atheist Alliance International), 2009. Like most honest people with a belief system, I am happy when evidence is presented which bolsters what I believe. For a while I too used Krauss’s line “because nothing is inherently unstable” as a retort to the question of “why something from nothing”.

Now Krauss has a book out. Jerry Coyne writes it up:

Further, Krauss defines “nothing” as a “quantum vacuum,” without giving us reasons why that would obviously have been the initial default state of the universe.  Is that a sensible definition of “nothing”? If not, whence the quantum vacuum?  And so on to more turtles. . .

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/david-albert-pans-lawrence-krausss-new-book/

It also made it to a conservative talk show where the host expressed mockery at the above fact. Paraphrased as “so where did the laws of quantum physics come from eh? eh? eh”.

Conversations with the religious always go the same way, an infinite regression of “where did that come from” culminating in “god didit”. Do atheists really think that filling another one of those blanks will stop the religious from doing this? No, it won’t.

Here’s my advice. Discover the answers because they’re fascinating to know, but don’t discover them because you think it’ll convince the religious out of their delusions. The fundamental flaw of the “where-progression” (I just coined that one for the record) is that it has been wrong for most of human history.

Saying “god” in response to a “why” question was wrong for Ra, the scarab beetle, thor, demons as the cause of disease, the plague, lightning, the planes of the ecliptic, etc.. Then why is it given any shrift when it gets dragged out as a response to the latest point of human ignorance? I used to have problems with the argument of something from nothing or the fine-tuned nature of the universe until I realised that they are the classical religious “reasoning” that has been proved wrong time and time again. Let alone the fact that to use an unexplained thing (god) as an explanation or proof for another unexplained thing is a logical fallacy, akin to saying “we know because we don’t know”, is nuts. It’s like me saying that I don’t know why the moon moves across the sky so it was the work of a cosmic space monkey called Manookalakiki.

Posted under: Skepticism, Science, Religion
Posted on: Sunday, April 15, 2012 7:12 AM
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  1. Posted by: TDOM on 4/15/2012 3:38 PM
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    My favorite response to the "God" answer is to ask who or what created God. If such a complex and all-powerful being simply popped into existence out of nothing, then why not the universe? It seems much more reasonable that an unintelligent universe could come from nothing than an omnipotent being. That said, I am a theist, not an atheist.
  2. Posted by: Brian on 4/16/2012 1:17 AM
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    Outstanding video. Educational and funny. Thanks, Mark.
  3. Posted by: Mark on 4/16/2012 10:53 AM
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    No worries Brian. It is a good video although repeated watches are recommended.

    @TDOM You cited an atheist argument but you're a theist? I don't understand but that's fine. I, for one, never found that particular argument to be one in my repertoire. The whole point of a God is to end the progression for the religious, you can't keep playing the progression game and convince them, because their God card was designed to end it. It never works is what I'm trying to say. :)
  4. Posted by: TDOM on 4/16/2012 5:11 PM
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    @ Mark

    I believe in God, but my belief in God is simple, but complicated. I am not religious, though I was rasied in the Baptist church. I don't put much faith into dogma. I don't really get involved in the religion vs. science debate because I believe that ultimately science will prove the existence of God, at least I belive this in theory. I don't really think that its possible in reality. I live simultaneously in two worlds. One is based on idealism while the other is rational. The ideal is not possible in reality, yet in reality we should always strive for the ideal. But because this ideal is not possible, sometimes our actions may be in stark contrast to that ideal because that is the best way to move closer to the ideal in reality. If God is the ideal, science is the reality. Ultimately, both are about truth and knowledge and neither can proven as an absolute which is why your progression game doesn't work. Science seeks truth, God realizes it can never be known. Faith in God is the acceptance that the ultimate truth can never be known. I simply don't accept this as reason not to attempt to discover it.
  5. Posted by: valerie woodruffe mullaloo on 4/17/2012 9:02 AM
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    ;)
  6. Posted by: David on 7/8/2012 8:11 PM
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    I do not believe in any religion, however, I do believe there is proof for a oneness or higher power/order.
    All living things have evolved, even the planet we live on has been part of an evolve-ment, as well as the solar system, galaxy and in deed, the entire Cosmos. All the while every physical law has been ubiquitously consistent. This leads me back to a oneness, a root beginning and I call that god. If you want to call that nothing, fine, but it is the nothing that rules everything.
  7. Posted by: valerie woodruffe mullaloo on 7/10/2012 5:53 AM
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    David, a
    root
    is an unfortunate word, even I don't fancy the idea of having a
    root
    with
    god
    LOL

    But one thing I know is that
    god
    even loves a wretch like me, and that Mark missed his calling and should have become a man of the cloth in the Anglican Church...

    SINcerity is the way of heaven.

    God Bless you one & all.

    Sincerely Valerie x
  8. Posted by: David on 7/10/2012 6:37 AM
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    valerie
    Is it more than education that seperates us?

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