What? “Mosque at ground zero”.. Never heard

Ho hum. I’ve been hearing about this so goddamn long that maybe some here may be wondering what my opinion is on this..

*Drumroll please*

I don’t know.

That’s it. I don’t know. On an issue like this I can see both sides clearly and I also sympathise with both sides. On one side (generally leftward) they make an argument of freedom of religion, the rule of law and equality. On the other side (generally rightward) they make an argument of sensitivity in light of a very special case as well as the motivations of unity under such an act as the proposed mosque/Islamic centre.

Here’s the thing. I can see the good points in each so I don’t know. If a gun were to be held to my head at this very moment, I would probably go with the left position.

What interests me about this foofaraw is not the issue itself so much as it’s the reaction of the political left to those they disagree with. In essence, it is the same old story. It’s bigotry, pure and simple. The resounding chorus from the left is that xenophobia and bigotry is the only possible reasons for this. It’s hard to retell the multiple accounts I have heard but it reminds me of the tea party reactions, all the sources I read or listened to said the same thing. Racism.

Krauthammer on this:

Ah, the people, the little people, the small-town people, the "bitter" people, as Barack Obama in an unguarded moment once memorably called them, clinging "to guns or religion or" -- this part is less remembered -- "antipathy toward people who aren't like them."

That's a polite way of saying: clinging to bigotry. And promiscuous charges of bigotry are precisely how our current rulers and their vast media auxiliary react to an obstreperous citizenry that insists on incorrect thinking.

-- Resistance to the vast expansion of government power, intrusiveness and debt, as represented by the Tea Party movement? Why, racist resentment toward a black president.

-- Disgust and alarm with the federal government's unwillingness to curb illegal immigration, as crystallized in the Arizona law? Nativism.

-- Opposition to the most radical redefinition of marriage in human history, as expressed in Proposition 8 in California? Homophobia.

-- Opposition to a 15-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero? Islamophobia.

Now we know why the country has become "ungovernable," last year's excuse for the Democrats' failure of governance: Who can possibly govern a nation of racist, nativist, homophobic Islamophobes?

Note what connects these issues. In every one, liberals have lost the argument in the court of public opinion. Majorities -- often lopsided majorities -- oppose President Obama's social-democratic agenda (e.g., the stimulus, Obamacare), support the Arizona law, oppose gay marriage and reject a mosque near Ground Zero.

What's a liberal to do? Pull out the bigotry charge, the trump that preempts debate and gives no credit to the seriousness and substance of the contrary argument. The most venerable of these trumps is, of course, the race card. When the Tea Party arose, a spontaneous, leaderless and perfectly natural (and traditionally American) reaction to the vast expansion of government intrinsic to the president's proudly proclaimed transformational agenda, the liberal commentariat cast it as a mob of angry white yahoos disguising their antipathy to a black president by cleverly speaking in economic terms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html

Posted on: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:53 PM
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  1. Posted by: Pankaj on 9/4/2010 7:36 AM
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    Krauthammer is quite intelligent person.. intelligent in a crooked way. Now he is trying to pretend it is his type of people that form the tea party. I have to wonder what he suggests Obama do about the tea party protestors.. "Tienanmen square" them all? No doubt, had this occured during the Bush years.. that is precisely what Krauthammer would have recommended. But now, everything to him is about what liberals say or liberals do... but then given his own folks miserable record - why would he talk about them?

    On the other hand, it is a delight to see "ungovernable" people to the governed sheeple that Krauthammer and his ilk as well as his enemies.. the "liberals" - prefer.
    FYI, Krauthammer is now admitting to be a Marxist/Hegelian (although covertly) who believes history rules and man plays the role history has decided for him, as per his article "distracted" plunderer-in-chief.
  2. Posted by: Mark on 9/5/2010 9:17 PM
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    Pankaj. I read your comment and you seem to be talking less about Krauthammer, but railing against conservatives in a very general way and therefore, Krauthammer by proxy. I don’t read him that way, and I think you would do yourself a service if you make some more direct arguments. Also, I couldn’t find the “ungovernable” article you references. Could you please provide me a link (my Google skills may well be insufficient) to the article, and in particular the part where Krauthammer a admits to being a Marxist/Hegelian.
  3. Posted by: Pankaj on 9/7/2010 1:04 AM
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    Alright, here is the link
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090203991.html

    Just curious, what makes you think I was talking about conservatives at all? I do not consider Krauthammer to be a conservative, unless you go back to the French meaning of the term, which is almost opposite of the US meaning of the term. Maybe it is not something I said but how I said it, since I clearly never mentioned the term "conservative" - so do let me know. I will try to improve my style.

    Are you familiar with the Hegelian theory of history? If not, you will miss where Krauthammer exposes his native ideology.
  4. Posted by: Mark on 9/7/2010 2:33 AM
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    Forget the word “conservative”, that’s not the point. Whatever the word, you seem to be constantly associating Krauthammer with a group. This impression came from some of your words:

    “now he is trying to pretend it is his type of people that form the tea party”


    “but then given his own folks miserable record”


    “Krauthammer and his ilk”


    This kind of speech is indicative of distaste for an individual coming from distaste for a group. Social psychology 101 – give a liberal a liberal policy proposed by a conservative then he will like it less then if it were proposed by another liberal. It’s not about libs vs. Cons. It applies to any group.

    I am not familiar with the Hegelian theory of history. When I read Krauthammer’s article, I read a critique of policy. I find that “worldview” arguments are a kind of logical fallacy. They have their place as critiques of a group, but they can become a red herring a lot of the time when used as responses to individuals or specific arguments.
  5. Posted by: Pankaj on 9/9/2010 7:46 AM
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    Indeed, I do have a distaste for the individual as well as the group, please don't give me the "individualist vs collectivist" routine. These are like minded people bunching together. But my question was not more to ask you where you figured out that I was talking about "conservatives". If you consider Krauthammer to be a conservative, then that is understandable. But be warned that not everyone, or every institution that claims to be a conservative is a conservative.

    Regardless, Krauthammer and more so his other neoconservative buddies in Newsweek, NYT and Wapo are a despicable bunch and one should always be aware of their ideological roots to understand what they are saying and more importantly what they really mean.

    To end this - Let me clarify, that there is an organized effort by the republican party astro-turfers to usurp leadership of the grass roots "tea party", and I see hundreds of attempts by fox news types to sneak in the claim to it, pretend that it is their type that are the members of the populist movement. If you are not aware of this - you will not get the context of my comment, you might think that I am some "liberal" reacting on psychology101 basis, which is understandable but not true.
  6. Posted by: Mark on 9/9/2010 3:34 PM
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    Okay. I guess I just don't have the read of Krauthammer that you do have, and we'll leave it there.
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