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1. Posted by: Tupper Lake on 12/23/2009 3:56 PM
   
   Mens Rifle Association, now there's a peace lover, a real ladies man!
2. Posted by: Introspectre on 12/30/2009 6:21 AM
   
   So Tupper Lake, after all the bigoted histrionics from those rad-fems, all you can think of criticizing is the gun supporting nature of the poster who disagreed with them. Talk about thick-skulled, and btw, I noticed the wonderful little emasculation attempt you threw in at the end,(Typical feminist.); so, do you think it's a man's obligation to seek woman's approval or something, is he a loser if he's not a "Ladies man"? You narcissists can't see past your own blinders can you?
3. Posted by: Mith on 12/30/2009 8:03 AM
   
   Okay, I'm going to have to do a post for each video. The first video has blocked the embedding, so here's the link:
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zAwLk8A1OE
   
   Okay, as I've posted on this woman's video page, she's just strawmanning the argument. Murdering or assaulting or raping women in America is illegal and in some cases, punishable by the death penalty. In places like Iraq, women will be put to death for reading, for not wearing x clothes, and for basically doing anything that her husband doesn't like.
   
   The belief that all men are rapists and women oppressors because a few men act that way--and those few men are often atypical of the normal human male. Even most third world country men don't go around smacking their wife and beating her for the sheer hell of it. He may have reactions that are clearly assault and battering, but generally most men act civil to their wives unless they do something that violates their cultural conduct. And in many cases, there's probably women who approve of men putting insubordinate women 'in their place'. Now clearly, some of them are rather amazingly horrible in just what a woman can be punished for, but then again this is a different society that's very far behind in its evolution as a culture.
   
   But that's not to say that these men are being good by oppressing women--especially those who hinder attempts at undoing that sort of behavior. But how is it fair to equate us to them? I've never harmed a woman, save maybe my sister when we were younger and got into fights--and then I never really hurt her. Because my mother told me I wasn't supposed to hit girls.
   
   Any futher addressing on my part is unnessecary, as this woman is nothing more than mouthpiece shouting the party line. Let's see if any other videos will present a more intelligent and less logically flawed post.
4. Posted by: Mith on 12/30/2009 8:44 AM
   
   Video #2
   
   
   Um, yes it is possible. In fact, the very process by which our government works favors society changing to hold one belief over the others. Because the majority has a tendency to get their way—hence when you sway the majority and gain their approval, laws are made to enforce their morals and beliefs. You don’t just magically make something into a law. It requires senators and congressmen to vote to see if that law is reasonable and required. And who elects those officials? Well, that’s the American population—and while you may argue that some officials are corrupt and buy their way through, they certainly wouldn’t go against what the majority of the population wants because that whom they pander to.
   
   As for your argument of mass industry and the wealthy…that’s the way it’s always been. And really, you have no idea how nice you have it. You think our world is bad now with people getting minimal wage and working two jobs worth a small home and barely able to keep up with the bills? Try living back in the dark ages. During that era, you didn’t have freedom. You were subjects. You were owned by your lord or your kind and you were forced to stay in your village. If you ever left, you’d be hunted down and dragged back—to either be put back to work or executed. You didn’t get rights. You weren’t presumed to be innocent until proven otherwise, it was in fact much the other way around. If maybe you spent less time trying to be hip and progressive and actually learned how we’ve gotten as far as we have, you might actually become progressive.
   
   Okay, as for your point about women acting like men—why do you care? It’s their choice. If you want someone to have freedom and rights, you can’t do a 360 and suddenly tell them that they can’t do this or do that simply because you don’t like it (and no, I’m not referring to crimes or other such horrors, but rather life choices). If a woman can’t choose to act like men, then what was the point of giving them freedom if they can’t enjoy it? And furthermore, where do you get off calling men sexist? I’m not sexist. I’m not a male that goes around trying to dominate women. By your very words, you are in fact a prejudice person. You believe that because some men are sexist and abusive, that thus all men are. This is not true.
   
   You, you, you. Yeah, well do you go to every man who’s had to sell his soul to the devil? In by that, I mean do you go to everyman who steals and murders because that’s all his mediocre talents will bring him? No, you’re only willing to look at the deficient women, not the men who are forced into a life of crime and hate. And while yes, women are not going out of their way to harm people, they are using their lower skill base to achieve a service in society in order to make a living—just as the gang member performs a service for others using the bare minimum skill afforded to a male; brute strength and aggression.
   
   And your argument about how capitalism is oppressing people—just where are you getting this? That’s life. You perform a service for someone and they pay you back. Or would you like to go to get paid the same amount as a hard working employee as someone who sits around and read books when the boss isn’t looking? How would you like to be the person who worked for ten years to get their education and get paid the same as some bum who just rides out job after job? This is why capitalism works; because people in all spectrums are profiting. It may not be the best profit or even one that most might consider fair, but it’s the best any sort of society has thus far been able to work out. That’s why America tends to be at the top of the list.
   
   And here we have a bit of a strawman. You claim that they’re just going out to party and show boobs—but they’ve already said they simply accept all lifestyles. If you choose to be a conservative mother that stays at home cleaning, watching the kids, and gossiping—that’s your choice. If you want to go out with men, party, and have sex then that’s your own choice too. Stop taking one thing and then suddenly trying to make it appear as if it’s the only part of this group. This is blatant dishonesty and you’re not even good at hiding it.
   
   Oh, and alarmism is when you put out facts, lies, or partial truths that are there directly to cause fear and alarm (hence the name) in order to get people to align to your method of thinking. Perhaps you should learn what you’re criticizing before you start talking.
   
   People influence culture just as much as it influences them. Nor are all of our choices grounded to culture. We are designed to get ahead in life—be that the case or not. It’s coded into our biology to be the best we can be. We have many freedoms, but it isn’t to be poor. You can go to any country and get that, I assure you. America is different because we offer opportunity. Anyone can improve their status with hard work, a bit of luck, and maybe even some help. That’s how all these billion dollar industries and companies came to be. Someone had an idea, worked hard, had some luck, and some help and made a company. They just didn’t exist because some evil group took it by force.
   
   And perhaps it would be best if you got a dictionary out and looked up the word exploit, because it doesn’t mean “not getting paid and treated how I want” but “getting a reward that is inappropriate to the amount of labor someone has done” or “to take advantage of someone who doesn’t know better or can do no better”. Tricking a kid into handing over an $800.00 baseball because you’ll give him a ‘better’ one is exploitation. Having people working under you for the legal minimal payment for services is not.
   
   Their belief in treating themselves and men as equals isn't bad--even if one might disaprove of the idea of being sexually active. So what? So what if a girl likes to perform oral sex or have sex with three different guys as long as everyone involved is fine with it? That's their right.
   
   Get over it. Feminists are not the ruling class of women nor should they be treated as such.
5. Posted by: Mith on 12/30/2009 9:10 AM
   
   Third video, but I must say that although I will address her argument, she actually seems like a fairly nice person doing her best from her perspective, where as the other two are less so (ie, old bitter crow and a hot headed youngling). Granted, this is only from one video, but if she could be taught to expand her ideas and understand the argument rather than just defend herself and group, she'd probably be a very effective and helpful individual.
   
   
   
   The criticism comes from the fact that these actions aren’t legal. That’s why people don’t understand why you’re attacking Western Men as a whole when we agree that attacking a woman is illegal and must be punished. In essence, you’re calling foul on those who are supporting your desire to keep women from being harmed.
   
   If you really want to help such women, you need to focus on repairing the damage that was done to the men who are likely to commit crimes or have committed them—and if they cannot be fixed, assist in removing the threat. Simply saying that women are being abused because people break the law is like saying that Americans support murder and theft because people in our society break those laws. You are attempting to hold society up to a standard that is not nor will it ever be possible in the world of mortals.
   
   This results in the reaction that you get; since what you’re trying to do here is impossible, why not concentrate your energies on a societies that need reform, that need women to be helped and sheltered. In these worlds, women being beaten and murdered is supported by their governments. If you believe that you have an evolved sense of justice and morals, then you must go where you can help. You can’t just say you want this and that and expect others to do it for you.
   
   As for the cultural issues, yes, these women are very different in culture and belief and they would surely scoff in some of the ways that women here act. However, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fight for basic civil rights for these women. They should be beaten or taken advantage of by the men in their society and those men need to learn that the way their acting is excessive and they can work better by doing it a different way—without losing their religion or their culture.
   
   And certainly we shouldn’t expect you to get in a plane and fly over to Iraq to solve this problem, that’s not what we’re trying to get you to do. We’re tying to get your as a group to focus on more important issues than crying foul on the legal system when it hasn’t done anything wrong. You need to raise awareness and focus on other parts of the world while still working for the smaller things here. That’s all. And I know this sounds heartless, but if you want to successfully bring all women up to par with men, you cannot focus on one or two women who were raped and had their assaulters arrested and punished. Because then you’re shouting even when we’re working to solve the problem. What you need to do is assist in the process and look to other places that need real, immediate fixing. Any maybe you can’t do this, but don’t act like America is a den of women oppressors when it isn’t. All you can really do is help women on an individual basis, like offering shelters for battered women—and not just women. Men too. You aren’t helping women’s rights by ignoring the plights of men. What of the five year old girl who watches as her mother hits her father and does whatever she wants? Do you think that’s how she should be raised? What of the son? Do you want him to grow up hating women? Then you need to focus on also keeping women from hurting men, which will in turn garner the trust and appreciation of men who will in turn support you.
   
   You don’t win people over by shouting at them or ignoring their plight. You win them over by helping them grow and supporting them (ie, that may include shouting at them, but it should not be the primary method).
   
6. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 12/30/2009 9:16 AM
   
   Hey Mith, read the comment thread on DianaBoston's video. A ton of people are making the essential point that the violence is not systematised in the culture as any sane person should realise and watch how she deals with these comments. It's priceless.
   
   Mith. Send me an email using the "contact" link at the top of the page. I want to talk to you about something.
7. Posted by: Mith on 12/30/2009 9:58 AM
   
   It really is. Too bad she's not yet experienced enough to know how to deflect questions she can't respond to without making it incredibly easy.
   
   Also, sent the email.
8. Posted by: Quint on 2/4/2010 5:19 AM
   
   DianaBoston is insane. She turns any rational, logical argument against her into "duuur no rights for woman"
9. Posted by: Pankaj on 2/14/2010 4:01 AM
   
   Oh god! Where do they make these folks? Is there an underground/alternate reality factory where these oppression olympians are produced?