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1. Posted by: bob on 8/25/2009 10:24 PM
   
   "Yes, a person who thinks she is oppressed will likely become a feminist"
   
   Is that why you're a MRA?
   
   "If you can provide that final elusive proof of oppression against women, outside of petty grievances about wolf whistles or myths like the wage gap stemming from systemic sexism, then we can start to find some common ground. But until you do so then to decry yourself as being oppressed as a woman in the year 2009 is worthy only of contempt."
   
   Did you think about middle eastern coutries? Why did you call the wage gap a myth? You said contempt, isn't that also how you said feminist treated men?
   
   "I wish you the best in your wait for utopia."
   
   Isn't that a perfect world or place?
   
   
   
   
2. Posted by: Lurch on 8/26/2009 12:24 AM
   
   If women don't feel safe walking down the street its their problem
3. Posted by: bob on 8/26/2009 1:24 AM
   
   It is their problem, that's why they're trying to solve it, but it's not their fault. Just like it's not the fault of a parent if they don't feel okay with their child walking down the street alone knowing there are pedophiles in the area.
4. Posted by: Porky on 8/26/2009 4:04 AM
   
   I got only as far as the bit where she says violence is okay for men
   (i watched part two first), realized i was dealing with either a liar or an idiot and switched off. Chris brown just got three months hard labor! Why? Because its considered okay for men, i guess!
5. Posted by: bob on 8/27/2009 2:21 AM
   
   "Chris brown just got three months hard labor! Why?"
   
   For beating up his girlfriend.
6. Posted by: Mith on 8/27/2009 3:04 AM
   
   Hmmm, let's look at what she said:
   
   -Again it seems that you're solely speaking from your personal experience with feminists. you cannot say that all feminists do all these things you stated because you dont' know every feminist. this may be some trend you are writing about or w/e but to make broad blanket statements is pretty pointless.-
   
   Obviously it is not to every exact feminist. The point of the argument is against a group. Surely not everyone within who knew about the Catholic Church covering up pedophile priests raping children agreed with the idea, but they are part of the group, support it, and thus they fall under the umbrella of what they allow to go out. If you are a feminist and feminists groups at large support these ideals, and you work for these groups in some manner, then you support them and their views. Thus, you fall into the group.
   
   Assuredly that doesn't mean that everyone is as guilty as others, but you do not help the situation when you walk the line to avoid pointing your finger at your own group.
   
   -i honestly dont feel like going through the trouble of proving the oppression against women-
   
   Wait, so this is something that is so important to you, that is such a big problem, and is so horrible that you clearly put a great deal of energy into it (Youtube, the shirt, probably a active member...), but when a male, who doesn't believe it to exist asks why he should agree with you--you suddenly provide nothing?
   
   What does that say for either your claim or your group?
   
   -but until the day where a woman can go out side and walk wherever she wants, wearing whatever she wants, no matter what time of day and feel completely safe, then oppression against women doesnt exist,-
   
   Um, no. Sorry, but if a woman goes out dressed like in a provocative way, she is going to get a response. You'll have men who disaprove because it's plain disgusting, you'll have immature men who tease her by making cat calls, you'll have disgusting men making cat calls for obvious reasons, you'll have men who are just joking, and many more.
   
   And of course, it doesn't matter the gender. If a male goes out dressed in a rather provocative way, he's going to recieve similar scorn. It doesn't matter what you gender is, if you dress in a fashion that is outside the norm, people are going to respond.
   
   And the fact is, you're delusional for thinking that such a thing is possible to change. Just because someone honks at you, it doesn't mean you're being oppressed. It means someone did something rude. That's it. Cat calls too. You don't have the right to stop people from being rude.
   
   And really, a woman who goes out in a revealing dress at night feeling completely safe is a horrible deulsion. I go out in proper clothes at night and I don't feel completely safe. I sure as hell wouldn't feel safe in the city with provocative clothes. Why you think a woman should feel such safety is beyond me.
   
   -or when parents start feeling safe about leaving their children with a male babysitter.-
   
   Wait, how does oppression of women having anything to do with prejudice against males? No please, enlighten me. Of course, I've had a few male babysitters before and I've even done a few jobs for some of my mother's friends when they were in a pinch. Just because it's a woman dominated field doesn't mean that men don't do it either.
   
   -part of being a human being is constantly questioning your opinion and changing your opinion. i think its funny that you're falling back on to the "feminists have some deluded sense that women are oppressed" argument. ive heard it all-
   
   And part of being a human (you don't need the being there, it's funky) is standing your ground when it comes to your morals and not allowing others to crush them. That doesn't mean you never concede to be wrong or to always need to have your way.
   
   Tossing out some babble like this without any sort of actual argument does nothing for me or him. Why? Because you didn't back up your argument, apparently thinking the subject not important enough to do so and then you toss out such an absurd statement that anyone with half an ounce of sense would laugh in your face at the sheer stupidity. Now you follow it up with a lecture? Please. You've only proven yourself to be stubborn and horribly shallow for trying that.
   
   For someone trying to sound so wise, you are so fittingly foolish.
   
7. Posted by: bob on 8/27/2009 3:19 AM
   
   "Wait, so this is something that is so important to you, that is such a big problem, and is so horrible that you clearly put a great deal of energy into it (Youtube, the shirt, probably a active member...), but when a male, who doesn't believe it to exist asks why he should agree with you--you suddenly provide nothing?"
   
   I've been trying to get ArgusEyes to tell me how men are more oppressed than women.
   
8. Posted by: Mith on 8/27/2009 3:30 AM
   
   -I've been trying to get ArgusEyes to tell me how men are more oppressed than women.-
   
   Have you looked at anything on the site? He's pointed to women being favored by the courts, how men are more likely to lose their children to women, how men are easily accused of false rape (and how feminists support them without caring for the truth of the matter), and so forth.
   
   If you wish to challenge him on these things, go ahead.
9. Posted by: bob on 8/27/2009 4:24 AM
   
   "Have you looked at anything on the site? He's pointed to women being favored by the courts, how men are more likely to lose their children to women, how men are easily accused of false rape (and how feminists support them without caring for the truth of the matter), and so forth."
   
   I believe I said more. On women getting the children, that's probably because people think that the woman should continue to take care of the children and household. Which a lot of Feminist tend to have a problem with. Even though most of the financial stability for child is put on the father, most of the care and responsibility for the child is put on the mother. Being accused of false rape is terrible, just like being raped, telling someone,and being called a liar or nothing being done about it. That's just some feminist, just like there are probably some MRAs who support men that lie about things.
   
   "If you wish to challenge him on these things, go ahead."
   
   I'm just giving my opinion like everyone else.
10. Posted by: Mith on 8/27/2009 10:09 PM
    
    -I believe I said more. On women getting the children, that's probably because people think that the woman should continue to take care of the children and household. Which a lot of Feminist tend to have a problem with.-
    
    Which is why they've never protested about it? Never stood outside a courthouse to turn the judgement to favor the wronged men?
    
    -Even though most of the financial stability for child is put on the father, most of the care and responsibility for the child is put on the mother.-
    
    And the father doesn't get to see their children. And if they do, it's always an uphill battle for them.
    
    -Being accused of false rape is terrible, just like being raped, telling someone,and being called a liar or nothing being done about it.-
    
    That doesn't have anything to do with this. This is about liars and when those liars are not only shown to have no case, but have proven to of lied.
    
    -That's just some feminist, just like there are probably some MRAs who support men that lie about things.-
    
    We're talking aobut feminists here, not MRA members. Nor are we judging individual members, but the objectives of the respective groups.
    
    
    -I'm just giving my opinion like everyone else.-
    
    No you didn't. You made a claim that he hasn't supported his own arguments. He clearly has and you can see any of it on this site. An opinion would be along the lines of saying "I can't find anything on your site that convinces me that women are not being oppressed."
    
    That is an opinion. What you said was a statement.
    
11. Posted by: bob on 8/28/2009 12:04 AM
    
    "Which is why they've never protested about it? Never stood outside a courthouse to turn the judgement to favor the wronged men?"
    
    I was talking about how people think a woman's place is at home, which is why they were trying to get women in the workplace.
    
    "That doesn't have anything to do with this. This is about liars and when those liars are not only shown to have no case, but have proven to of lied."
    
    Yes it does, because I was asking how men are more oppressed than women. You were talking about men's problems with it and I was talking about women's. When a man says he didn't rape a woman and he did, he is a liar.
    
    "We're talking aobut feminists here, not MRA members. Nor are we judging individual members, but the objectives of the respective groups."
    
    People like to talk bad about Feminist, I was just saying something that Feminist and MRAs have in common. You were talking about individual people's videos who are Feminist. My point is that there are different types of Feminism, and if one of the groups does something wrong it would be better to talk about that group than the whole movement.
    
    "No you didn't. You made a claim that he hasn't supported his own arguments. He clearly has and you can see any of it on this site. An opinion would be along the lines of saying "I can't find anything on your site that convinces me that women are not being oppressed.""
    
    I wasn't talking about all his arguments, just that one. When I ask how are men more oppressed that women, that means I can't find anything on your site that convinces me that women are not being more oppressed than men.
    
    "That is an opinion. What you said was a statement."
    
    My opinion is that men are not more oppressed than women. I said more.
    
    "women being favored by the courts"
    
    This is like the whole women and children first thing, people tend to not care about saying children first also. Women get favored in court over men, children get favored in court over women. In this country and some others, when it comes to men, women, and children in court, the punishment is worse the stronger and more superior people think you are. If you really want people who are seen as weaker and more inferior to stop being favored in court, that would call for women to be trialed as men, and children to be trialed as adults. Which they are sometimes.
    
    I just saying why some things happen.
    
    
    
12. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 8/28/2009 2:39 AM
    
    @Mith. Great dissection as always, you should sent that to her.
    
    
    @Bob.
    “I've been trying to get ArgusEyes to tell me how men are more oppressed than women.”
    
    I have a video called “men are more oppressed than women”. Find it on this blog to type it into YouTube.
    
    
    "Yes, a person who thinks she is oppressed will likely become a feminist"
    “Is that why you're a MRA?”
    
    I no longer call myself an MRA, I don’t blame you for saying this because I have referred to myself as an MRA in the past and have not been vociferous in removing myself from that label. I don’t consider myself an activist, just an opinionated person who is against many things but am prominently an anti-feminist. Activism isn’t always bad but I can see where the activist mentality can lead, I try not to tread that path and understand that men are not under a smothering blanked of oppression anything like women experience in some places in the world. I object to feminism as a poisonous belief system.
    I do not go around thinking of myself as an “oppressed person”, hard oppression against men manifests in only a certain number of areas and the softer oppression is like other matters of life, you should not victimise yourself on stuff like that.
    
    
    “Did you think about middle eastern coutries[sic]?”
    
    Look under the category of this blog called “Islamic Totalitarianism” where you will see that I am quite aware of the problem with Middle Eastern countries thank you.
    
    
    “Why did you call the wage gap a myth?”
    
    I didn’t, in fact I was very careful in my language so no one could trip me up on it. I remember thinking this way when I wrote “or myths like the wage gap stemming from systemic sexism”. Meaning that a wage gap exists, but I contest that it stems from systemic sexism against women. That’s written plainly above.
    
    
    “You said contempt, isn't that also how you said feminist treated men?”
    
    I meant to hold her ideas and beliefs in contempt, not women as a sex or her as a person. If that was not clear from my text (which is possible), then I am clarifying it now. As for the utopia thing, yes that is one definition for it, what kind of question was that?
    
    
    You don’t need to assume that I am stupid or ignorant because I disagree with you. A lot of what you wrote was faulty in logic and based upon assumption.
    
13. Posted by: bob on 8/28/2009 3:50 AM
    
    "I have a video called “men are more oppressed than women”. Find it on this blog to type it into YouTube."
    
    I did and when I thought also about what women go through I still wasn't convinced it was worse.
    
    "Look under the category of this blog called “Islamic Totalitarianism” where you will see that I am quite aware of the problem with Middle Eastern countries thank you."
    
    I asked because you asked her for proof of oppression against women.
    
    "I didn’t, in fact I was very careful in my language so no one could trip me up on it. I remember thinking this way when I wrote “or myths like the wage gap stemming from systemic sexism”. Meaning that a wage gap exists, but I contest that it stems from systemic sexism against women. That’s written plainly above."
    
    If your not calling the wage gap a myth then what did you mean by that?
    
    "As for the utopia thing, yes that is one definition for it, what kind of question was that?"
    
    If what she wants fits into a perfect world or place, wouldn't that make it a good thing?
    
    "You don’t need to assume that I am stupid or ignorant because I disagree with you. A lot of what you wrote was faulty in logic and based upon assumption."
    
    Did you assume that I thought you were stupid or ignorant, I can tell by some of your videos and comments that you are intelligent. I just don't agree with everything you have said. I thought what I wrote was pretty good, but I guess that's just my opinion.
    
    Thanks for the comment anyway.
    
    
    
    
    
    
14. Posted by: JD on 8/28/2009 6:37 AM
    
    "I did and when I thought also about what women go through I still wasn't convinced it was worse."
    
    What do women go through exactly? We've come full-circle to trying to find (in Argus' words) that final elusive proof of oppression against women, outside of petty grievances about wolf whistles or myths like the wage gap stemming from systemic sexism. Stop crying foul and start getting specific.
    
    "If your not calling the wage gap a myth then what did you mean by that?"
    
    It's written pretty plainly, if you'd bother to read it. He dumbed it down once already. He acknowledges the existence of the wage gap but disputes the idea that it's the result of sexism.
    
    "If what she wants fits into a perfect world or place, wouldn't that make it a good thing?"
    
    Feminism as it is is essentially about giving women more power than men, not equality. Feminists have made it clear what they think a perfect world, a utopia, should be. It's not a perfect world for everyone.
    
    "I just don't agree with everything you have said."
    
    There's nothing wrong with disagreeing, but you've voiced your disagreements without any solid reasoning. You said after watching Argus' video you don't believe that men are more oppressed than women, yet you have yet to state exactly how women are oppressed at all. It's not about convincing you anyway; it's a fact that men are more oppressed. There is more evidence is out there that supports the idea than there is disputing it. Why should he bother to try to convince you of a fact? He might as well try to convince you that the sky is blue.
15. Posted by: bob on 8/28/2009 7:19 AM
    
    "What do women go through exactly? We've come full-circle to trying to find (in Argus' words) that final elusive proof of oppression against women, outside of petty grievances about wolf whistles or myths like the wage gap stemming from systemic sexism. Stop crying foul and start getting specific."
    
    Look at Middle Eastern countries.
    
    "It's written pretty plainly, if you'd bother to read it. He dumbed it down once already. He acknowledges the existence of the wage gap but disputes the idea that it's the result of sexism."
    
    I did read it, I just didn't get it at first. I think it is a result of sexism, be it toward men, women, or both.
    
    "Feminism as it is is essentially about giving women more power than men, not equality. Feminists have made it clear what they think a perfect world, a utopia, should be. It's not a perfect world for everyone."
    
    Did you bother to look up the word Feminism or types of Feminist?
    
    "There's nothing wrong with disagreeing, but you've voiced your disagreements without any solid reasoning. You said after watching Argus' video you don't believe that men are more oppressed than women, yet you have yet to state exactly how women are oppressed at all. It's not about convincing you anyway; it's a fact that men are more oppressed. There is more evidence is out there that supports the idea than there is disputing it. Why should he bother to try to convince you of a fact? He might as well try to convince you that the sky is blue."
    
    Did you read ArgusEyes' comment before mine? Here is a little bit of what he said.
    
    ArgusEyes: "I no longer call myself an MRA, I don’t blame you for saying this because I have referred to myself as an MRA in the past and have not been vociferous in removing myself from that label. I don’t consider myself an activist, just an opinionated person who is against many things but am prominently an anti-feminist. Activism isn’t always bad but I can see where the activist mentality can lead, I try not to tread that path and understand that men are not under a smothering blanked of oppression anything like women experience in some places in the world. I object to feminism as a poisonous belief system.
    I do not go around thinking of myself as an “oppressed person”, hard oppression against men manifests in only a certain number of areas and the softer oppression is like other matters of life, you should not victimise yourself on stuff like that."
    
    
    
16. Posted by: bob on 8/28/2009 11:18 AM
    
    ArgusEyes, when you said anti-feminist, were you just talking about extreme feminists? Just to clarify.
    
    
17. Posted by: Josie Green on 8/28/2009 12:25 PM
    
    Hey Argus,
    
    You know I have no problem with you, and I think more often than not your views are very valid and well said, so bravo. But its getting to the point now where your sounding like a total woman hated WHICH I know your not, but still it makes me sad, and no its not because your bashing radical feminists, its because your making fun of normal women who are scared of going out at night, instead of making fun of these woman how about reassuring us that the action of a few men does not dictate the behavior of everyman. Just a thought
18. Posted by: JD on 8/28/2009 3:48 PM
    
    "Look at Middle Eastern countries."
    
    I looked at them. We all acknowledged how bad women have it in the Middle East. But what are they going through in the western world? Why are there western feminists still fighting for reform?
    
    "I did read it, I just didn't get it at first. I think it is a result of sexism, be it toward men, women, or both."
    
    It's not much of a rebuttal if you aren't going to back up your view. An empty "I don't think" statement is meaningless against the evidence and research that Argus presented. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's meaningless in this environment without reasoning.
    
    "Did you bother to look up the word Feminism or types of Feminist?"
    
    You're naive if you think the feminism movement as a whole adheres to the dictionary definition of the word. I know there are many types, which is why I used the qualifier "essentially". Please take the time to read what you're replying to.
    
    "Did you read ArgusEyes' comment before mine? Here is a little bit of what he said."
    
    He didn't say anything about men not being more oppressed in the western world.
19. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 8/28/2009 8:47 PM
    
    @Josie Green
    “its because your making fun of normal women who are scared of going out at night”
    
    Where did I make fun of normal women who are scared to go out at night?
    
    
    @Bob
    “ArgusEyes, when you said anti-feminist, were you just talking about extreme feminists? Just to clarify.”
    
    I am anti the feminist belief system. I am not saying that I am anti people who are feminists because they can believe what they want, no matter how nutty it seems. It’s like if I said I was anti-Marxist, it means I am against Marxist ideas and principles.
    
20. Posted by: bob on 8/29/2009 2:57 AM
    
    "I looked at them. We all acknowledged how bad women have it in the Middle East. But what are they going through in the western world? Why are there western feminists still fighting for reform?"
    
    Women get beat, raped, and exploited more.
    
    "It's not much of a rebuttal if you aren't going to back up your view. An empty "I don't think" statement is meaningless against the evidence and research that Argus presented. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's meaningless in this environment without reasoning."
    
    Women get paid less, men don't get to retire as soon.
    
    "You're naive if you think the feminism movement as a whole adheres to the dictionary definition of the word. I know there are many types, which is why I used the qualifier "essentially". Please take the time to read what you're replying to."
    
    I don't, which is why I was asking them to point out a certain group or type instead of talking about the whole movemant.
    
    "He didn't say anything about men not being more oppressed in the western world."
    
    Which is why I wasn't just talking about the western world. If men are so much more oppressed in the western world, how come men are the majority of people in power.
    
    
    
21. Posted by: bob on 8/29/2009 3:00 AM
    
    "I am anti the feminist belief system. I am not saying that I am anti people who are feminists because they can believe what they want, no matter how nutty it seems. It’s like if I said I was anti-Marxist, it means I am against Marxist ideas and principles."
    
    Thanks for the comment.
    
22. Posted by: Martin on 8/30/2009 1:26 AM
    
    I am anti the racist belief system. I am not saying that I am anti people who are racist because they can believe what they want, no matter how nutty it seems.
    
    This still acceptable?
23. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 8/30/2009 4:30 AM
    
    @bob
    
    You will be interested to know that I have taken on your claims in a new post.
    http://www.true-equality.net/archive/2009/08/30/the-proof-for-oppression-against-women-still-missing.aspx
24. Posted by: Mith on 8/30/2009 9:06 AM
    
    "Which is why they've never protested about it? Never stood outside a courthouse to turn the judgement to favor the wronged men?"
    
    -I was talking about how people think a woman's place is at home, which is why they were trying to get women in the workplace.-
    
    So hold on, are you claiming that there is a woman in modern society being denied work based on gender? I'm pretty sure that's been against the law longer than I've been alive.
    
    Is that what modern feminists are complaining about when they speak of oppression? And how does this have anything to do with the subject? Oh, it's about equal rights, but if they're for both genders, why do they only fight for the women? That is the discussion. Please, respond to the question instead of dodging.
    
    -Yes it does, because I was asking how men are more oppressed than women. You were talking about men's problems with it and I was talking about women's. When a man says he didn't rape a woman and he did, he is a liar.-
    
    Because when a woman screams rape, she gets both the media and the courts on her side. The courts basically take her word over the man's word--you basically have to prove that they're lying to stay out of jail. And while the media is not the government and have the right to report news about rape, even pushing it to the side of the woman, why don't feminists combat this? In fact, some time ago a girl got national (not much granted) attention when she uploaded a video on Youtube asking people for help because she was raped. It became a massive story with the girl doing multiple interviews about how an older man raped her and no one cared.
    
    Guess what? The guy was about in his 30s or 40s and she was 17 (almost 18) at the time. When the police had originally spoken to her when it was brought to their attention, she DEFENDED him by claiming that she willingly slept with him. More so, because she was so close to 18, it was decided that it wasn't worth going after because of a month or so.
    
    Then she turned around and screamed rape.
    
    -People like to talk bad about Feminist, I was just saying something that Feminist and MRAs have in common. You were talking about individual people's videos who are Feminist. My point is that there are different types of Feminism, and if one of the groups does something wrong it would be better to talk about that group than the whole movement.-
    
    No, we were talking about feminists. You changed the subject by basically saying, "Well, so what? Other people do it, so it's okay if we do too!"
    
    No it isn't. I don't care what the MRA does, says, or thinks because I'm not part of the MRA nor would I approve of any behavior they geared that take away from women rights. Feminists however, for such talk about gender equality, go on about how women are oppressed and go so far out of their way to help women while rarely giving a second thought to men--and only then to scold them.
    
    So please, where is the equality? Show me one feminist action where they went out of their way to help men. I don't mean like "oh yeah, airlines shouldn't have the women and children first thing--but nothing bad happened, so everythings cool."
    
    I mean actual activisim on par with what they do for women.
    
    -I wasn't talking about all his arguments, just that one. When I ask how are men more oppressed that women, that means I can't find anything on your site that convinces me that women are not being more oppressed than men.-
    
    This isn't my site first off and second, you're twisting your words now--or your original post was unclear, whichever. You claimed that there was no evidence presented for men being more oppressed. Evidence has been provided--please go ahead and challenge anything you find doubt in, but please don't pretend it doesn't even exist.
    
    -My opinion is that men are not more oppressed than women. I said more.-
    
    Are you clarifying?
    
    -This is like the whole women and children first thing, people tend to not care about saying children first also. Women get favored in court over men, children get favored in court over women. In this country and some others, when it comes to men, women, and children in court, the punishment is worse the stronger and more superior people think you are. If you really want people who are seen as weaker and more inferior to stop being favored in court, that would call for women to be trialed as men, and children to be trialed as adults. Which they are sometimes.-
    
    Sorry, but no. You cannot claim that feminists are for equal gender when you allow for women to be given lighter court sentences. But I don't see any examples of this, do you? Name one instance where feminists have gone to bat for a man going against the woman. I'm pretty sure that you won't find anything. Why? Because the feminists will distance themselves from obvious nutballs, support the ones that will give them the most attention, and then leave everyone else to their own devices.
    
    Your argument of men getting harsher judgements because they're stronger and more powerful is in fact, support for sexist laws and protocalls.
    
    -I just saying why some things happen-
    
    Sir, either you have a clumsy grasp of the english language or you are denying your own statement. Which is it?
25. Posted by: Mith on 8/30/2009 9:09 AM
    
    -Hey Argus,
    
    You know I have no problem with you, and I think more often than not your views are very valid and well said, so bravo. But its getting to the point now where your sounding like a total woman hated WHICH I know your not, but still it makes me sad, and no its not because your bashing radical feminists, its because your making fun of normal women who are scared of going out at night, instead of making fun of these woman how about reassuring us that the action of a few men does not dictate the behavior of everyman. Just a thought-
    
    Since when was making fun of women afraid to walk around at night any part of the discussion until now?
26. Posted by: bob on 8/30/2009 10:56 AM
    
    "So hold on, are you claiming that there is a woman in modern society being denied work based on gender? I'm pretty sure that's been against the law longer than I've been alive."
    
    That's not what I said.
    
    "Is that what modern feminists are complaining about when they speak of oppression? And how does this have anything to do with the subject? Oh, it's about equal rights, but if they're for both genders, why do they only fight for the women? That is the discussion. Please, respond to the question instead of dodging."
    
    I've heard some Feminist talk about more than just women's problems, they mostly talk about women's problems. MRAs mostly talk about men's problems. I'm just showing somethings things they have in common, so if you have a problem with Feminist doing something, you should have a problem with MRAs doing it too. What question was I dodging?
    
    "Because when a woman screams rape, she gets both the media and the courts on her side. The courts basically take her word over the man's word--you basically have to prove that they're lying to stay out of jail. And while the media is not the government and have the right to report news about rape, even pushing it to the side of the woman, why don't feminists combat this? In fact, some time ago a girl got national (not much granted) attention when she uploaded a video on Youtube asking people for help because she was raped. It became a massive story with the girl doing multiple interviews about how an older man raped her and no one cared.
    
    Guess what? The guy was about in his 30s or 40s and she was 17 (almost 18) at the time. When the police had originally spoken to her when it was brought to their attention, she DEFENDED him by claiming that she willingly slept with him. More so, because she was so close to 18, it was decided that it wasn't worth going after because of a month or so.
    
    Then she turned around and screamed rape."
    
    Like I said, that's terrible.
    
    "No, we were talking about feminists. You changed the subject by basically saying, "Well, so what? Other people do it, so it's okay if we do too!"
    
    When did I basically say that. When did I ever say I was a Feminist.
    
    "This isn't my site first off"
    
    I wasn't talking about you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
    
    "but please don't pretend it doesn't even exist. "
    
    Like you and/or ArgusEyes did with women's oppression.
    
    "Are you clarifying?"
    
    My opinion, yes.
    
    "Your argument of men getting harsher judgements because they're stronger and more powerful is in fact, support for sexist laws and protocalls."
    
    Just because I'm saying why some things happen, doesn't mean I'm okay with it happening.
    
    "Sir, either you have a clumsy grasp of the english language or you are denying your own statement. Which is it?"
    
    If your talking about when I said "I" and not "I'm", that was a typo.
    
    
    
    
27. Posted by: Mith on 8/31/2009 1:16 AM
    
    -That's not what I said.-
    
    You seem bent on saying that women get paid less and the only reason you'd raise that as a point of women being oppressed is if you believed it was for sexual reasons. However, anyone who does this is performing an illeagle action. It is not legal to deny women proper pay or a job based on her sex.
    
    -I've heard some Feminist talk about more than just women's problems, they mostly talk about women's problems.-
    
    Well if they're for equality, why aren't they addressing all the issues?
    
    -MRAs mostly talk about men's problems.-
    
    Probably because they're almost more anti-feminists than they are for equal rights. Ie, they're a counter movement. And again, we are talking about feminists. Might we keep with them and not the MRA?
    
    -I'm just showing somethings things they have in common, so if you have a problem with Feminist doing something, you should have a problem with MRAs doing it too. What question was I dodging?-
    
    We weren't talking about the MRA to begin with, that's the problem. That's a different subject. You are in effect, dodging the issue that feminists are doing the world a disservice. It doesn't matter why they're doing it the same as it doesn't matter why I murdered someone. The fact is, I killed them.
    
    -Like I said, that's terrible.-
    
    But they didn't support the man despite him being the victim. Why not?
    
    -When did I basically say that. When did I ever say I was a Feminist.-
    
    That's your defense. You're pulling the MRA and saying they do the same thing. It doesn't matter. I don't care if they go out murdering people (well I would, but as far as the subject is concerned? No). You could basically put "___ does it too, so why shouldn't the feminists?" and it would make the same difference.
    
    
    
    -Like you and/or ArgusEyes did with women's oppression.-
    
    Excuse me? Please, present why they're being oppressed. I do believe the wage gap argument went flying out the window, so did the rape argument, so did the argument that people are inheriently biased (as if that had anything to do with the law itself), and thus far you haven't presented one thing. Where is the oppression? I've presented examples of men getting shafted because a woman says something without any actual evidence, as is required by law to get them convicted and you just seem to brush it aside.
    
    -Just because I'm saying why some things happen, doesn't mean I'm okay with it happening.-
    
    Then you agree that men are more oppressed then women?
    
    -If your talking about when I said "I" and not "I'm", that was a typo.-
    
    No, I was pointing to you first claiming that there is zip evidence of men being more oppressed and then you backtracking saying it was an opinion.
    
28. Posted by: bob on 8/31/2009 2:16 AM
    
    "We weren't talking about the MRA to begin with, that's the problem. That's a different subject. You are in effect, dodging the issue that feminists are doing the world a disservice. It doesn't matter why they're doing it the same as it doesn't matter why I murdered someone. The fact is, I killed them."
    
    I'm not dodging that issue, I'm just saying not all of them do that.
    
    "You could basically put "___ does it too, so why shouldn't the feminists?" and it would make the same difference."
    
    That's not what my comment meant.
    
    "I've presented examples of men getting shafted because a woman says something without any actual evidence, as is required by law to get them convicted and you just seem to brush it aside."
    
    Is that legal, if not, then there are people in power are breaking the law.
    
    "Then you agree that men are more oppressed then women?"
    
    No.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
29. Posted by: Porky on 8/31/2009 3:41 AM
    
    Oh hell, i missed all the fun. Anyway, bob i a dishonest person.
30. Posted by: AlekNovy on 10/21/2009 10:36 PM
    
    I find this bob person funny... Especially half the questions/points he/she brings up, are things argus has ALREADY answers throught the blog and the videos.
    
    In fact, half the shaming language bob uses like "have you even read what feminism is in the dictionary" is stuff argus eyes has answered, specifically with that specific introduction. Seek out "what is feminisim" youtube video by argus eyes and see for yourself.
    
    I wrote a similar post here as well:
    http://aleknovy.com/2009/07/11/whats-up-with-these-douchebag-guys-getting-so-riled-up-with-feminism/
    
    And this is also relevant on Bob:
    http://aleknovy.com/2009/07/04/how-society-prevents-issues-from-being-discussed-or-analyzed/
31. Posted by: bob on 10/26/2009 10:30 PM
    
    "I find this bob person funny... Especially half the questions/points he/she brings up, are things argus has ALREADY answers throught the blog and the videos.
    
    In fact, half the shaming language bob uses like "have you even read what feminism is in the dictionary" is stuff argus eyes has answered, specifically with that specific introduction. Seek out "what is feminisim" youtube video by argus eyes and see for yourself."
    
    
    AlekNovy, not to sound rude, but what is your point?
32. Posted by: Jbreak on 11/2/2009 1:05 AM
    
    Bob- The point is, your opinion is wrong. You can have your wrong opinion all you want ,but its on the same level as lets say believing the moon is made of cheese. Example, wage gap. Your opinion is that its because of sexism, when in reality if a man and woman had the same job ,but the man works 25 hours instead of 20 hours like the woman, then the man will get paid more. That isn't sexism, but basic math and understanding of labor.
33. Posted by: bob on 11/2/2009 9:57 PM
    
    Jbreak, I didn't say that was sexism. My point on that is, it's sexism when someone is paid less because of gender. I clarified that later.
34. Posted by: Jeff on 11/3/2009 8:23 AM
    
    -but until the day where a woman can go out side and walk wherever she wants, wearing whatever she wants, no matter what time of day and feel completely safe, then oppression against women doesnt exist,-
    
    'Scuuuuuse me? I can't walk wherever I want, day or night. One night, after parking my car in some remote location because street cleaning was scheduled for the next morning on my block and I could find nothing closer to home, I was confronted by two gangsters who pulled switchblade knives on me. One night at a self-serve filling station to put petrol/gas in my car, someone insisted on doing the job for me (presumably to earn a tip thereby) to the point of nearly wrenching the nozzle out of my hands, and became even more aggressive when I resisted.
    
    And, as for wearing whatever clothing I want? No one has heard of "fashion freestyling" yet where I live. Rude stares at the least, and the likely risk of getting beaten up...

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