Hate Bounces: How man hating and man bashing harms women

This video transcript was originally written by ZenPriest. It can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/3951/noback/hatebounces.html

The permission to reproduce this piece for the video was granted by ZenPriest. I reproduce the text here as a transcript but all creative attribution is to ZenPriest.


Misogynists are not born they are made.

Once, a long time ago when the world was young, I loved women with all my heart and soul. I grew up among strong competent women who understood that all living things need to be taken care of and will flourish if that happens. The men I grew up with knew that as well. Everyone knew that people must live and work together and find ways to cooperate and just deal with the inevitable differences that arise and keep them in perspective. They knew that people are not perfect, but that most of them try to be as good as they can manage. They took the measure of a person in wholeness, and if there was more good than bad to a person, they accepted that person's faults as being part of the package which was still valuable, if a bit flawed. After all, nobody really is perfect. We all knew that.

Then, something happened. And that something was called feminism. I remember the early days of the movement when it was called "Women's Liberation" which was a high sounding and noble cause in a country which is founded on a document which cites liberty as one of 3 inalienable rights that every person has. No one with a sense of fairness and an understanding of civics could be against women being liberated and treated fairly. And, there was also the promise that some of the ways men were being treated unfairly would change along with it.

And, as the old joke goes: if you believe that one, then I have some lakefront property in the Mojave Desert I'd like to talk to you about.

I learned very quickly that feminism wasn't about liberating PEOPLE from their previously too restrictive roles which were assigned to them based on the plumbing they displayed at birth, but rather was founded on a number of absolute falsehoods which had nothing to do with freedom, equality, or fairness. The fundamental premise that men had MORE power, not just a different kind of power and in a different area of society as a whole, but MORE power in a complete and absolute sense was something that I vehemently disagreed with. I could come up with thousands of examples of circumstances in which women had more power than men did. And in every example they gave of where men did have any power, I could easily point out the uneven distribution of power among men, and how a few men at the top of the wealth/influence pyramid had a lot of power, but that the vast majority of men had very little.

The strangest thing was that most of the situations in which I was being told I had or was exercising "power" seemed absolutely ridiculous to me. When I was a college freshman, one day I was walking across campus toward the student union. I reached the door about a half step ahead of a female student so, as I had been brought up to do, I hastened my last couple of steps and held the door open for her. Instead of the smile and nod that I had been used to in response to such simple acts of social courtesy, she flew into a rage and started screaming at me about how what a male chauvinist PIG I was, that she was perfectly capable of opening that door for herself and didn't need any g-- damned MAN to do it for her, and kicked me in the knee.

"Shock" is a totally inadequate word to describe my response.

I was at a loss to understand any of her reaction. She couldn't have been any more totally, completely, and absolutely wrong about my motivations and purposes. I instantly assigned her to the categories of "mentally defective", "hate filled", and female. Over the next several years, a lot of women joined her company.

A couple of years later, a woman that I was dating described her feminist "consciousness raising" group as consisting of "perfectly satisfying man hating sessions." Again, I was bewildered. I asked why she found hating me(n) so "perfectly satisfying". I don't remember the answer she gave, but she soon proved to me just how true that statement was of her. Like the knee-kicker in response to having a door opened, it seemed that anything and everything I did was proof that I deserved her hatred and rancor. At least 10 years later, she called me out of the blue to apologize. She said she realized that she had just gotten swept up in a group consciousness of hatred and had finally realized what had happened and that I had not deserved the bile she had spewed on me.

It was, I suppose, better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, but it was too little and too late. Because, by then I had encountered so many other women who acted in pretty much the same way that it had simply become part of my view of what women were. Somewhere, deep down inside, either hidden or proudly displayed, women hated men. Women came in a variety of sizes and shapes, most had breasts and female genitals, but they all seemed to come with a hatred and fundamental contempt for men. One woman I dated while Jimmy Carter was still president, spoke of "my hatred of men" in the same mattter-of-fact tone that she might say "my nose". It was just an integral part of her.

Needless to say, this presented me with a significant paradox and source of internal conflict. Being a healthy heterosexual male, I had the natural and universal desire that men have to have a love relationship with a woman. But, how is it possible to love someone that returns hate for that love?

So, over time I began to develop a wary distrustful posture toward women. I still dated them, but I had become so conditioned to expect hatred from them that I simply accepted it as part of the price I had to pay in order to be involved with one. My desire for a relationship was still strong, but was opposed by a distrust and unwillingness to let someone who hated me get the upper hand over me. Thus, in my mind the concept of "commitment" became one and the same as "trapped in a relationship with someone who hates me." I was indeed one of those men who "wouldn't make a commitment."

The worst part of this, for me, is that it blinded me to the warning signals of some truly sick personalities. The hostility which I had become accustomed to enduring from women became only a matter of degree - greater or lesser. And, with a baseline of being kicked in the knee for the courtesy of opening a door, and learning how "satisfying" man hating is to some women, I had no yardstick to sort out the seriously sick and deranged women from any of the rest. As a result, I ended up in some relationships that were truly horrible and very damaging to me. And, of course, each of these left scars which over time built up so much emotional scar tissue that I began to lose all the positive feelings I once had for women.

That is the personal side. And, I won't bore you with the details of all the stories. But, there eventually got to be so many that I developed the attitude that the question was not "whether" a woman would burn me if let her get close enough to do so, but "when" and "how soon" it would happen.

On the political side, things were just as bad if not worse. About the same time I started becoming the target of violent physical attacks by individual women for what I perceived as courtesy, I also became the target of vicious verbal attacks by women collectively - just for being a man.

I remember the first time I saw the slogan "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle", I knew knew my face had just been spit in. Men were not just useless to women, we were irrelevant. We had no purpose in a woman's life, and did not belong in her world at all. It was a message of hate, dismissal, and refutation. But, I also saw it as a warning of what was to come. It was like seeing clouds on the horizon, and knowing that it is time to get under cover because a storm is brewing. And, since it was obviously smearing shit in my face, it was going to be a shit storm.

Soon it became apparent that women could say any damn thing they wanted about men - no matter how wrong, no matter how hateful, no matter how unfair - and that was fine, but every time I stood up to that and said "no, that is wrong, there is another point of view" I'd get some little fem-bot harpy in my face shrieking the same old tired slogans, like a mindless Chatty Cathy doll, about how I was threatened by losing my power, wanted to keep women "in their place", was probably violent, and was a misogynist. The dull predictability and regularity of it all was only kept from being terminally boring by the shrillness and sheer vehemence of the attacks.

There is a belief among those who believe in magic that one must speak a spell 3 times in order for it to become binding and true. It took being called a misogynist a lot more than 3 times to become true, more like 300+, but in time it did become true.

I began to see women as vicious creatures whose only agenda when it came to me, or any man, was to see how much they could get from the man - then when he had nothing left to give because they had taken it all, toss him out with yesterday's garbage. In short - as nothing but users. Feminist author Wendy Dennis came out with a book in the early 1990s called "Hot and Bothered: sex and love in the 90s." Among many other astute observations in the book was that nothing was more classically typical of the state of male/female relations than the woman who complained bitterly about every aspect of men, then couldn't figure out why she couldn't get one of these awful creatures to fall madly in love with her. I had observed the same thing so many times that I had simply concluded that such women were simply not very bright. In stark contrast to the mythology of how socially adept women are, I was baffled that such women were so stupid that they didn't realize that no living thing will respond to such projections of distaste, contempt, and hatred with anything except return animosity.

I took to avoiding women, particularly groups of them, because I could never sit quietly and put up with the bashing and would always challenge it, which ended me up in a lot of fights and added greatly the count of times that I got called "misogynist." I noticed that women seemed to do it habitually, without thinking, and would confront my female friends over and over until they learned not to do it in my presence.

And, after 3 decades of listening to it, and hating it, and trying to keep the animosity which had been building in me over it - when the husband of a woman friend of mine (who had been very dishonest about her motivations for our friendship and had been trying to harass me into turning our friendship sexual) threatened to kill me and she said "I don't know why you are making such a big deal about it", I caved in and began to really hate women.

Most of the time this hatred lies dormant. I figure that the best thing I can do for myself and for women is to keep the contact I must have with them to a minimum, and to keep as much distance between them and myself as possible. It is rather like hanging a sign on a fence that says "Beware of VERY bad dog." Stay outside the fence, and everything is fine. But, come through the gate at your own risk. Leave me the hell alone and I will leave you alone.

Misogynists are not born, they are made.

I am still baffled at all the women who seem to expect men to live on a steady diet of hatred and man bashing, and somehow magically metabolize this toxic diet into "love" for women and a desire to see good things come to them. When I work real hard, I can make the anger cold and take no joy when bad things happen to women, simply regard it with indifference. When I hear a woman whine about being victimized, I simply tune her out and go elsewhere.

When a woman smiles at me, I think of an old ethic bashing joke - "What does a ______ say instead of 'fuck you'?" answer "Trust Me.

I will not allow most women in my house unless I have known her a long time and she is old enough to have escaped being infected with the plague of man hating or is escorted by someone I trust, nor will I enter theirs except on the same conditions. If I pass a woman stranded on the road, I will not stop to help her because it is as likely as not that she will be afraid of me. That's fine. She's a fish without a bicycle - I have no place in her world, nor her in mine.

Man bashing and man hating harms women, because it makes men hate them back - eventually. A puppy returns love for love, but if you beat it will eventually turn mean and will one day turn on you when you raise your fist or your stick (or the club of words) to hit it. Men are no different. When women talk about treating men like dogs, I wish they would. It would be an improvement. Most women treat their dogs far better than they treat their men.

Somewhere along the line, I went through a metamorphosis. I changed from a man who loved women and thought they were just about the greatest thing in the world, to a man who can't stand them, or anything about them.

I'm sick and tired of the lies that women tell about men, I'm sick and tired of their victim games, I'm sick and tired of hatred and bashing I have to put up with when I am around them. I am sick and tired of the arrogant contempt in which they seem to hold me and all other men. I am sick to death of the way that some of them feel the need to seek me out to piss me off. A couple of years back, at the funeral of my uncle, as fine a man as I have ever known, some woman felt the need to start a conversation with me as I sat with my private grief. She wanted me to agree with her that men don't ask for directions.

How could anyone be so stupid and socially incompetent? When men came up to me to talk, it was always with something like "Your uncle was a fine man", not "aren't men headstrong and stupid?"

Invariably, when I tell a woman about all this, she tries to argue with me and say something like "get over it", or "why don't you take the gender out of it?" In return I ask, "why the hell don't you women get over it, and take the gender out of it?"

I would like nothing better than to be left in peace, and allow women to enjoy the absence of my company which they find so annoying and unpleasant. Every day, a few more men got through the transformation and become like me. We don't get our guns and shoot a few women; we don't beat them up; because what women have been saying about us all these years is just flat wrong. But, there's no point in trying to tell women that because they have become so certain of their superiority that the best way to deal with them is to leave them to it, and the company of their other fishy friends.

Posted on: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:13 PM
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  1. Posted by: Isabelle on 7/4/2009 5:58 PM
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    Absolutely true

    Feminism is a devilish dogma designed to hurt,hate,bash ,denigrate,harm. It is nothing but evil.Evil for men first and then women as a consequence. But with feminism ,men are the target.It is becoming clearer and clearer to me.. I live in France ,a country which has passed from christianism to feminism. Yes,it is a Pagan religion,a dogma that plagues our country now ,as it has plagued yours.That victimisation of women is becoming more and more unbearable. Women are constantly at war with men. It is non sense. But what harms me most is that those Jezebels (I refer to the Bible and the usurpation of man's role by women) want to take the place of our heroes, ,the captains of our hearts as they want to be admired in men's uniforms making their functions. That is too much,that is more than I as a woman can bear. Are women Lesbians to admire women in uniforms? Women have always loved military men,men with high status etc...they do not care about women at all!

    Absolutely true. Feminism harms true women deeply.
  2. Posted by: Jeff on 11/2/2009 11:39 AM
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    Feminism didn't always look like this. There were grievous inequities, and it was natural for activists to rise up to address them. Like many other good ideas before and since, this one got hijacked. There are many women who are upset by that, and those who speak out against it are bashed at least as hard as men who do the same-- the radical feminist aim, of course, is to silence the critics by means of intimidation.

    Historians identify phases of the feminist movement as a series of "waves"; in the second wave, feminism was hijacked by identity politicians. Identity politics can be defined somewhat simplistically as the claiming for a class of people a victim status, for the purpose of political gain. To be a victim logically requires a perpetrator; therefore, it is necessary to criminalize someone, and to polarize (the antagonism of black and white, with no gray in between) against them. Many identity-based activist groups have settled upon men as their perpetrators; fewer have settled upon "white" men.

    Identity politics as an organizing principle for a social group brings many self-perpetuating evils. Members acquire a ready target on which to blame their problems, which tempts them to the luxury of ignoring the responsibility of their own lives. Bashing of the target group provides a cheap and easy way to feel better by making someone else feel worse. Successful activists develop a vested interest in the movement, in the form of political power, social status, and even wealth. Group cohesion and identity as a member become ends in themselves, beyond the injustices the group was originally formed to address. This leads such groups to maintain the illusion, at least, that the oppression and injustice still exists, long after conditions have substantially changed. What's more amazing is that members will go out of their way to provoke members of the "oppressor" group into the very attitudes and actions that the former claim to deplore-- radical feminists, and at least one ethnic group, are notorious for this behavior. Robert Merton's Self-Fulfilling Prophecy takes on an ever increasing role in identity-based political groups.

    My shift in attitude towards said ethnic group, and the causes behind it, closely parallels your narrative. My feeling toward women is not too far behind, but is mitigated by less close contact with them (plus, I leave obvious man haters immediately), and I have managed to find a few generous souls in whom I could not find any hatred toward men. I am always willing to give a woman the benefit of the doubt but, like you, have come to expect the misandry to become manifest eventually, if not at first.

    Identity politics doesn't just come back to bite its practitioners, it fosters factionalism, tribalism, and infantilism. It destroys social cohesion, and ruptures society. Abe Lincoln said it best: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." It's only a matter of time before we fall.
  3. Posted by: Jeff on 11/2/2009 7:25 PM
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    Hi, me again. In your article, you mentioned that you did not want to narrate too many specific incidents. I hope you will indulge me in the narration of just one, because it seems to typify extremely the sort of vindictive venom that you describe.

    I was out grocery shopping with a woman friend-- we were not extremely close, but more than just acquaintances. We were in the produce section talking away about something, while I was stood at one of the counter endcaps, sorting through some fruit on sale. I was nestled into a corner space formed by stacks of boxes that were located in front of the counter to extend its surface area.

    Suddenly, a woman I had never seen before came barreling up to me, driving her trolley/shopping cart before her; she was nearly upon me before I even noticed her. She wedged the front of it into the space I was occupying, neatly pinning me in place. I was surrounded on three sides by stacks of boxes and the front of her trolley, while she leaned against the back end of it to hold me fast. My only physical means of exit would have been to push the trolley back, further into her abdomen. She then commenced to berate me soundly for hogging the counter and being in her way.

    At this point, I imagined that I had three options: push the trolley back (and risk knocking her down); meekly apologize, and ask to be released; or be assertive and challenge the abuse. I chose the latter. I do not recall what I said, but would like to think that I managed to be assertive without becoming abusive in turn. Nevertheless, my friend took me to task (though mildly-- I guess my measured response was in my favour) for not apologizing for the sake of avoiding a public scene.

    That happened years ago; I have wondered at it ever since. I have concluded that the intention of this perfect stranger was to sew dissension between my friend and I, perhaps with the hope of breaking us up. My alternative was to swallow humiliation and apologize, which carried its own risk of costing me the respect of my friend. Though it was possible for me to minimize the damage, in a real sense it was impossible for the stranger to lose, no matter which course I took. I am convinced that she saw all of this in a flash of insight, and acted upon it immediately-- she was nearly running with her trolley by the time she caught me up.

    The idea that this perfect stranger could not tolerate to see a man and a woman enjoying each other's company and talking peaceably, and had to interfere in order to sew discord, goes really far to illustrate in what regard we men are held.
  4. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 11/6/2009 12:11 AM
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    Hi Jeff,

    Thanks you so much for your thoughtful posts. I will need to take some time to re-read them and it is hard to get access to the internet here in N.Z. as I travel around.

    Sincerely,
    Mark
  5. Posted by: Jeff on 11/7/2009 12:44 AM
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    'Welcome, Mark. This seems a good place to say those things. There is one of your posts that I may want to critique. I hope you will feel the same about that (if I write it) or, at least, feel that it was even-handed.

    >A couple of years later, a woman that I was dating
    >described her feminist "consciousness raising"
    >group as consisting of "perfectly satisfying man
    >hating sessions."

    I just recalled being present, some years ago, at an impromptu hate session where the target was...another woman. I wrote elsewhere, in another comment on your blog, that women don't particularly save their vindictive vitriol, their stratagems, and so forth, especially just for us, but do these things among themselves, as well. I repeat the observation here.
  6. Posted by: Joana on 12/12/2009 4:22 PM
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    Hi Mark, I just wanted to say how sorry I am that you had those experiences, and I apologize for everything that was said to you. I know that it doesn't make it better, but I felt compelled to say it.

    I came across your blog when I searched for women against feminism. As a woman (I'm 24), I completely agree with everything that you said on this post and on your blog. I do not think of myself as a feminist, I hate feminism just as much as you do; it has done more harm than good.

    Not all women think that they need men like a fish needs a bike--I've been with my amazing boyfriend for the past 8 years, and I cannot imagine my life without him, he means the world to me. And yes, I am not ashamed to admit that I need him, I need a husband and a family to complete me--my career doesn't do it (I have a master's degree in HR). Without my boyfriend, I'd be like a fish on dry land.

    The point of this post was to ask you to give women a chance, not all of us are like that, and some of us know how wonderful men are and how much we need each other.
  7. Posted by: Joana on 12/12/2009 5:57 PM
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    One more thing....I've read a lot of feminism websites, and I thoroughly disagree with what they say; I see a lot of anger, resentment, bitterness and hatred.

    However, I've also read MRA websites, and I can understand what men are saying and I find myself nodding in agreement. Also, instead of hatred, like on feminists' websites, I see a lot of confusion, pain and maybe even a bit of helplessness.

    So, what can I do, as a woman, to help?
  8. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 12/13/2009 10:47 AM
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    Hi Joana.

    I feel slightly bad. I'm not actually recounting my own experience in these videos and post, but I am reading an essay written by another person. I should have made that more clear, I do state it as such in the video description but should have done so at the top of the article.

    So don’t worry about me, I’ve not had such bad experiences although we all have had some experiences like the ones I talk about in the video. This is the only piece of work from another person that I’ve read (to the best of my recollection) and the reason I did so is that I read this piece when I was starting out in my anti feminist ways and it had a big impact in that it stated my feelings at the time in clarity.

    To answer your question on what you can do to help. I’m not really the activist guy here but one good thing is if the women like you who feel this way should speak up and try to convince other women who lend tacit support to feminism or relay the standard feminist arguments. I think that to hear this from another woman means they would be more willing to listen.

    Mark
  9. Posted by: Virag on 12/28/2009 7:47 AM
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    A very apt article, but very few would be ready to understand it and accept it, including men.

    Most men do not take arrogance of women as abuse because it challenges their own identity of a protector, something men are not ready to confront.

    The day men challenge the Protector inside them, women will have to run for cover. Some have already done so, its just a matter of time before the phenomenon becomes mainstream.
  10. Posted by: AnnieMc on 1/5/2010 3:17 PM
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    "I think that to hear this from another woman means they would be more willing to listen."

    Oh, if only. *rolleyes*. They dictate to everyone, not just men, and if you're a woman who dares to say you're not a feminist, (you're a humanist, maybe?) you get a lecture on how ungrateful you are for what they allegedly are doing for you. Or that you don't understand what feminism REALLY is. (So what is it? They all seem to have their own definition. And man-hating definitely comes into a lot of those definitions.)

    Still, I'll do what I can for my brothers. :)
  11. Posted by: AnnieMc on 1/5/2010 3:26 PM
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    P.S. I see a lot of men who are suspicious and resentful of all women because of these haters. Someone in the comments mentioned that they expect the misandry to be manifest even if it's not immediately apparent. This makes me genuinely upset, you know, and it may be selfish but it's the main reason that I want to support men's rights, to build bridges. I've always felt comfortable around men and seen you as my friends and I hate to be associated with the misandrists.
  12. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 1/5/2010 11:59 PM
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    @AnnieMc. I wish more people were as empathic as you. I don’t know how deep the “hatred” is, I feel that often that the manbashing thing is just a trendy attitude to have amongst young women. People largely do what they’re told to do. The instruction can be from the societal zeitgeist.
  13. Posted by: DD on 1/11/2010 10:09 PM
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    Hi Mark, I liked your exposé. I am a woman and believe this 'ideology' is hurting all HUMANS - men or women. The wave around is not going to put you down but is going to influence your life, your conceptions, your feelings and your thoughts. Making generalizations and assuming all Humans are alike is wrong logic. DO not let them insult your intelligence!
  14. Posted by: Daffyff on 1/20/2010 8:03 AM
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    I'm fairly new to the MRA movement, but have been feeling a resentment towards the injustices of the feminist movement for some time. However, I cannot agree with the MRA movement either, seeing it as the beginnings of a vicious backlash that may already be happening on a subconscious level amongst men (the increase of violence in pornography being evidence of this).

    I just don't see genuine man-hating as being as prevalent as jeff and the author of this essay seem to believe it to be.
  15. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 1/23/2010 1:59 AM
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    @Daffyff.

    I understand the feeling of reticence in being attached to any movement. So don't call yourself an MRA then, just fight the injustices of feminism.
  16. Posted by: Stu on 5/19/2010 3:55 AM
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    So whats wrong with a vicious backlash against feminism. Do you think if you just lay their and do nothing and say nothing they will eventually stop kicking you. I'm sure their were plenty of Jews in Germany who thought if they just laid low, didn't make trouble, kept quiet and maybe even helped the Nazis that they would be left alone.

    Of course, your mentality is just like feminists are driving society in general to believe. Woman cheats, gambles, takes drugs, abuses kids, abuses husband, sits around all day doing nothing, watching soaps, etc etc......but god help any man who dares to yell at such a wife, even if she is yelling at him. Women can do as they like and no man can take any action at all against them with out it being labeled voilence against women. And if a man just puts up with this shit, then one day leaves because he has had enough.....goodbye house, super, savings, kids.....hello child support payments, alimony, denial of visitation rights, and jail if you lose your job and can't keep paying.

    At the same time as feminists are saying that women are mens equals and can do anything as well as man......or better......they are also saying that women have to have mens support and money and assetts.....they even go as far as to say that women can make just as good as solders and police and emergency services people as men......yet they are so weak that they need demestic voilence laws that throw a man out of his house and call it voilence if he raises his voice back at her while she is yelling at him. It's even considered domestic voilence in Australia if a man refuses to give his wife money.....for anything....for any reason....on demand. IF you try to put her on a budget.....or restrict her spending in any way.....it's domestic voilence.....and you can be thrown out of the house with a restraining order against you for it. You get no trial, they require no proof......and even though its not a criminal record as such......when it comes to divorce.....property settlements.....custody.......child access...the family court regards the fact that you have had a complaint of demestic voilence made against you as proof that you are violent and will punish you by giving her an even greater share of the assetts and maybe if not allowing you any access at all to your kids.

    No man can escape this kind of misandry. You are effected by it no matter how nice you are women, no matter how much you try to aviod pissing gthem off. If you ever live with a woman......these unfair laws are available to her to use against you any time she likes. In affect, you might as well just transfer all your assetts to a womans name if your going to live with her.....she has the power to take them all merely by just claiming domestic voilence with no proof at all. So how can a man have an equal relationship with a women when all the power in relationships is hers.

    It's time men woke up and just said no to any relationship at all with women. If you can't live without the sex then just go to hookers......it will be a lot cheaper in the long run......as well as not being emotionally destroyed.....financially destroyed.....you will also be free in your day to day life to do as you choose. How many married men do you know that just go out when they like.....come home when they like.....marriage and defacto relationships are just prisons for men and a gravy train for women.......don't fall into the trap.
  17. Posted by: bob on 5/19/2010 3:39 PM
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    Is this what usually happens, or is it an acception?
  18. Posted by: kelly on 5/25/2010 6:36 AM
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    According to recent global figures there are roughly 6.8 billion people in the world today. In our present lifetimes we will be lucky if we can truthfully say we "met" 2 billion of them, let alone claim we befriended a fraction of that figure.

    Despite being "social beings" the truth is most people partake in anti-social behavior. We don't explore new cultures, new people, new places...we stay grounded and trap ourselves in the "hellish existence" that most of you who posted here wish to escape from. By so doing you are unknowingly making yourselves prone to hateful generalizations, ones that claim that just because you've met 100 bad women that number 101 will be equally if not more abusive/hateful/and disrespectful towards you than number 99.

    All I can say to the gentleman who wrote this article and to the author of the essay on which this post was based on, is that although I have not met you I wish to encourage you to not allow fear to break you. Sure you've been hurt. We've all been hurt. I've yet to meet a single person whose been free from social scarring, from social discomfort, from alienation, and from maltreatment. We've all been in an uncomfortable situation at one point or another in your life but just because this WAS the case it does not mean that this WILL always BE the case.

    By closing ourselves off from one group whether it be women, or blacks, or gays, or atheists we are without realizing it closing off our opportunities to regain our faith in humanity. I've been fortunate enough to meet good people throughout my 21 years of existence. I feel as though 50% of it has been sheer luck and the remaining 50% has been the result of my optimism in people. BEFORE ever meeting anyone I think to myself "this person is going to be great" and you know what? 6 out of 10 times they are, and even if they aren't, all I say is "come on number 11!"

    If we give up on one group (male or female) what we are doing is essentially giving up on ourselves, for we're saying we don't have enough faith in people like us to maintain our hope alive of one day meeting a good person in the future.

    There are billions of good people out there. Perhaps they look funny, perhaps they speak no english, heck they might not be able to speak at all, and most importantly they might not live in your zip code, but regardless of this they DO exist because I exist and because you do too.

    For every crazy woman that cusses you out for opening a door for them I guarantee you there are at least 2 others somewhere within the vicinity who are eagerly waiting to scream your praises for being a 21st century gentleman.

    As a rule of thumb when I go to any mall with two sets of doorways. I often meet a person who kindly opens the door for me. Regardless of their sex I say thank you. And do you know what I do in return? Instead of assuming they MUST open the next door for me, I open it for them.

    Why?
    Why not!?
    To receive good things you have to give good things
    and although you might not always receive equally good results
    because you're a brave person, you'll continue giving the best of you to others because that's what good people do.

    if you choose to wallow in hate.
    wallow in hate. but at least be conscience that
    by so doing you're just letting your "haters" win and saying "to hell with the good people that i may miss out on".
  19. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 5/26/2010 1:55 PM
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    Thank you Kelly for taking the time to write that.

    I agree with a lot of what you said. And I do believe that people's beliefs are, in large part, self fulfilling prophecies. When a person believes people don't like him and then acts badly towards them as a reaction, he might have been mistaken in his reading of others but then they may actually come to hate him as a reaction to his negative actions.

    You don't need to worry about me becoming like this. I didn't experience what the author of the piece did. I asked him for permission to reproduce the piece in video form.
  20. Posted by: bob on 5/26/2010 10:17 PM
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    "I agree with a lot of what you said. And I do believe that people's beliefs are, in large part, self fulfilling prophecies. When a person believes people don't like HIM and then acts badly towards them as a reaction, HE might have been mistaken in HIS reading of others but then they may actually come to hate HIM as a reaction to HIS negative actions."


    I agree with a lot of what you said. And I do believe that people's beliefs are, in large part, self fulfilling prophecies. When a person believes people don't like HER and then acts badly towards them as a reaction, SHE might have been mistaken in HER reading of others but then they may actually come to hate HER as a reaction to HER negative actions.

    How being sexist toward and oppressing women harms men.

    If wasn't for that, Feminism would have never been needed for anything. Then there would be no going from women's liberation to man hate for the Feminist that did. How is what he feels any different than what Feminist and/or women feel? Oppression of and sexism toward women was a global action and mindset, for who knows how many years. It doesn't justify their actions, but I wouldn't expect anyone to go through that and not have some hard feelings. In general, men have hurt men much more than Feminist have.

    Misandrist are not born, they are made.
  21. Posted by: Daniel Martínez on 5/30/2010 7:32 PM
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    I liked your article very much. I have a blog of men's rights activism in spanish. I would like to translated into spanish and publish the spanish version in my blog.

    I wont do nothing without your permission.

    I will be waiting for your reply.
  22. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 5/31/2010 2:37 AM
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    @Daniel Martínez. I've finally added a proper dislaimer to the top of this piece. I didn't write the original but merely asked for permission to video-ize it. The original author is ZenPriest. I've linked to the original, you would have to ask his permission to reproduce the piece on your blog.
  23. Posted by: Daniel Martínez on 6/2/2010 12:23 AM
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    Umm, I dont seem to get to the link. Something of geosites.

    I don't want to be anoying or anything. But could you please ask the author of that wonderfull piece for permision?

    Maybe you have the eamil. Perhaps you could place his email here.

    I really want to contact the author for permission.
  24. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 6/2/2010 9:34 AM
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    @Daniel Martínez:

    I did have his email at some point but that was a long time ago before I moved everything to gmail. I have no idea where it is now. I will try to contact a friend to get it for you.

    P.S. Geocities being down does not surprise me. This is why I reproduced the text here.
  25. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 6/3/2010 4:12 AM
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    @Daniel Martínez:
    I've got ZenPriest's email. I can't post it for all to see obviously, how can I contact you via email?
  26. Posted by: Daniel Martínez on 6/7/2010 8:50 PM
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    This is my blog:
    http://derechosdeloshombres.blogspot.com/
    Is an mra blog in spanish.

    Is through blogger wicht is google = gmail.

    We can comunicate by it. Do you have gmail?

  27. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 6/7/2010 10:14 PM
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    Hi Daniel.

    I did look at your blog, but I couldn't find a way to contact you and it was hard to find my way around. I have a "contact" button at the top of the page (in the main menu), you can contact me that way. I would prefer to not publish email addresses on the internet where I don't need to.

    Mark
  28. Posted by: Daniel Martínez on 6/10/2010 12:07 AM
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    I have another idea, I am going to send youu a private message on youtube. That is the path.
  29. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 6/10/2010 2:11 AM
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    @Daniel. Probably a good idea since my inbox is being flooded with Thai bigots at the moment.

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