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Call for new rape inquiry squads

posted on Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:39 PM

Consider this piece from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7496013.stm

What do you see in this piece? Objectivity? Balanced reporting? Gender demagoguery? Go on, pick one. I don’t have time to completely rip this to shreds but I’ll take the following paragraph:

He argues more expertise in the early stages of an investigation would improve the quality of evidence gathered and prevent rapes being wrongly classified as "no crime".

This is very telling. Basically, all accusations of rape are legit. Therefore if at the end of the process the conviction rates are low then that’s just a sign of the bastards getting away with it.

Mr Yates said rape was a difficult crime to investigate given that most cases involved people who knew each other, where consent was the primary issue.

Read: “We are coasting on the popular image of rape being some guy leaping out of the bushes with a knife and horrifically raping an innocent woman with the reality which is that the definition of rape has been greatly expanded to accommodate women who have sex, offer no objection, and then change their minds afterwards. Whilst the bad image of rape is still in the minds of the masses then we can push through any legislation we want to revoke “innocent until proven guilty””.

Are there stats in here about false accusations? Nope.

rape victimAlso observe the usage of the word “victim”, which is aided by the pictire they chose. They are considered verbatim victims, any honest person would agree that “accuser” or “potential victim” would be better terms. I should mention that here in the UK, the BBC is tax-payer funded through a TV license, lovely.

category: Gender Issues Rape

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# re: Call for new rape inquiry squads
Posted by Nonny mouse on 7/11/2008 11:52 PM
Gravatar "Nine per cent of reported cases were designated false, with a high proportion of
these involving 16- to 25-year-olds. However, closer analysis of this category
applying Home Office counting rules reduces this to three per cent. Even the
higher figure is considerably lower than the extent of false reporting estimated by
police officers interviewed in this study."

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hors293.pdf

Home Office Research 293

So.......a low false report rate according to the government research......similar to all other crimes. Hmm.
# re: Call for new rape inquiry squads
Posted by ArgusEyes on 7/12/2008 12:49 PM
Gravatar This is why I tend towards making logical arguments as opposed to statistical ones, you can make statistics say whatever you want and a figure of 3%? I’m sceptical of that but if it’s true then so be it – so why isn’t it in the story? You must see how your argument does not address my own since I did not say anything about stats. I am criticising the standard of reporting to a gender issue.

There is also more here. I would consider the woman “taking it back” to be a false accusation of what rape actually is (or should be). Also, all I hear about the issue is the need to punish men not punish false accusers. Also notice the liberal references to “women” how many men are raped? I’ve heard 10% of all rapes are for men, mostly in prison. Do we care about them? We do not.

You would suggest that it’s so insignificant that you need not consider it, right? I have Warren Farrel’s book which mentions the military survey which showed 60% of rape accusations in the militarily to be false. Which certainly shows that women can use it to personal gain. And if we want a witch hunt on men for rape and throw out due process (believe me, this IS where this is heading).

So all in all this is far more complicate than it seems on the surface. And whilst I appreciate your sources to make me sweat and hold my feet to the fire. You HAVE to remove the arrogance from your postings. You do not know everything and if you want answers from me then don’t approach with an attitude.
# re: Call for new rape inquiry squads
Posted by Joe on 8/20/2008 4:02 PM
Gravatar the little pie chart tells a big story
Insufficient evidence 21%
Victim withdrawal 17%
Victim declined to complete initial process 17%
Offender not identified 13%
False allegation 12%
No evidence of assault 5%
No prospect of conviction 2%
Not in public interest 1%
Other/ unknown 12%

21% + 17% + 17% + 12% + 5% = 72% no proof of rape
add in 6% dropped by CPS
14% went to trial with no conviction
so there was no evidence to convict and you get 94% possable false rape claims.
I saw on another website that stats said a man was 16 times more likely to rape tham a woman was to make a false claim.
so out of 100 claims of rape 94 will be false but 1504 real rapes will have happened

Dont you just love F**king around with stats
# re: Call for new rape inquiry squads
Posted by ArgusEyes on 8/21/2008 6:58 PM
Gravatar What are the sources for those stats Joe?
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