Why I am NOT a Feminist

Not a day goes by without me getting a message in my inbox or a comment on one of my videos saying something along the lines of:

I am a feminist because I believe in equality and what’s wrong with that!?

Let me say something now that, for some reason, isn’t said enough. Apart from a few nut-jobs here and there, we all believe in equality. OK? It doesn’t need to be said.

People who say that feminism is about equality have some major misconceptions about what feminism actually is. Feminism is not a state of being. It’s not something you just are like you might be an jew or a homosexual.

It is an ideological movement. Ideological movements are movements that are concerned with ideas. Feminism is comprised of ideas and theories and hypotheses. These ideas can be evaluated on their individual veracity and then accepted or dismissed. And over time common threads are observed in the ideas of the feminists that testifies to the character of the movement. This is what I consider my primary role to be... To evaluate the ideas and trends of feminism. As I’ve made quite clear before, I don’t think feminists are bad, I think that in general they have bad ideas because they base them on false premises.

Why don’t I call myself a feminist? As I have stated before. Feminism is not a state of being. So you can believe in equality and not call yourself a feminist. And that’s what I and a lot of other men’s rights activists believe. In fact, a lot of us feel that feminists do not believe in the kind equality that we, and most rational people, believe in.

For those who are actually able to think, you will realise that the word equality doesn’t have a meaning that is a clear as people intent it to be when they bleat it out. To me, men’s rights activism versus feminism is about two conflicting models of what the word equality means.

To most feminists equality means equality of outcome. That if you add up the numbers at the end of the day, if the column under men and the column under women don’t match exactly then this is proof positive that women are being oppressed.

To most Men’s rights activists, equality means equality of opportunity. In that you should face no discrimination based upon your sex, race or sexual preference in a civilised society. And that if the system is fair, then the outcome vis a vie women vs. men, white vs. black. Etc. Doesn’t matter at the end of it because your own choices led to that particular outcome.

Which one of these views is correct? Obviously I am going to say the second one.

Life is rarely a dichotomous choice between two different ideas. But this is one of those times. You cannot have a completely fair system and then have the government stick its nose in afterward in an attempt to fiddle the numbers to make it appear fair. Fair is giving everyone the same chance. Fair is not raising those who didn’t put in the effort up on a pedestal to the level of those who gave a damn.

Unlike the two models of equality which I have mentioned. A lot of the time I believe in situations where you have a choice between two views, the truth lies somewhere along the middle path between the two choices. When you have two views of society which are given to you by two special interest groups, each of which represents one half of two possible sides, then each represents a side that the other will find it hard to relate to. In my opinion the Men’s rights movement grew from the extremes that feminism created and exists to present the problems that affect men. I’ve always been honest that I believe that. It’s time for the feminists to come clean and admit that they have a female-centred agenda as well. Instead of the usual B.S. about representing what is best for both of the genders.

Feminism is our ticket to true gender salvation? Salvation for both genders from a movement with a gendered name. Bollocks! Modern feminism, which is far from its more noble roots. Has had a total reign and has been having the say for both sides for far too long now. And the damage should be clear for everyone to see. They have damaged men, women and society. We need the other voice now. We need to hear the other side of the story. This is the main reason why I don’t call myself a feminist. Feminism does not speak for me! Feminism does not speak for me...

I recommend a brilliant essay which I shall link to on the left called “hate bounces: how man hating and man bashing harms women: The making of a misogynist”. The essay details the life story of a man who grew up to hate women due to feminism. It says so much that I want to say and it says it so well that I implore you to simply read it yourself. For now, I will read a part of the essay that applies directly to my life experience:

I remember the first time I saw the slogan "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle", I knew my face had just been spit in. Men were not just useless to women, we were irrelevant. We had no purpose in a woman's life, and did not belong in her world at all. It was a message of hate, dismissal, and refutation. But, I also saw it as a warning of what was to come. It was like seeing clouds on the horizon, and knowing that it is time to get under cover because a storm is brewing.

Now before you start psycho-analyzing, the quote made me angry and hurt my feelings a bit, but it did not have as much of an effect on me as it did on this guy. But when I first heard the famous feminist slogan coming from the mouth of a young woman on my university campus then I realised that part of feminism was hateful to men and it was seeping into the mind of young women and poisoning their view of men then I realised that I could never call myself a feminist. After realising this, I pondered the strange creature called the male feminist. How could one embrace an ideology that was so hostile to them?

Needless to say, the quote doesn’t even make sense. I have never met a woman who does not consider a relationship to be an very important part of her life. The reason I never took the quote too seriously is because I saw right through it to what it really was. It was posturing. It was the angry outburst of a foot-stomping child of a movement trying to convince itself that it didn’t need to rely on men, lying to itself to try and deny the truth, that men and women do depend on each other. It spoke to me of an immature movement driven by emotion rather than logic. A movement striving not towards truth, but towards anger, victim-hood and demagoguery.

So. Apart from the spit-in-the-face hostility to men, the one-sided treatment of gender issues and the flawed idea of what equality is. Why else don’t I call myself a feminist?

For the answer to that question, watch my older videos and stay tuned for the new ones because what I offer is the voice from the other side of the aisle. And that is a voice you are not going to hear from a feminist anytime soon.

Posted on: Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:41 AM
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  1. Posted by: anonymous on 6/15/2008 12:28 PM
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    I think the fundamental distinction you're trying to make is wrong. Feminists aren't opposed to all disparities of outcome, they're only opposed to disparities that favor men. They don't have any real problems with the myriad of ways that women outperform men. Feminists may occasionally pay lip service to some example of it, but more often they'll just use it as evidence that women ought to be outerperforming men in some area where they're currently behind them. Feminists are bigots who think that women are innately superior to men and that ours, or any other society, that fails to manifest that to some sufficiently high degree is somehow hopelessly biased against women. You're giving them way too much credit by accepting that they're motivated by some kind of high minded dedication to equality of outcome.


    And I'm an antifeminist that is concerned with equality of outcome. I think that men lead worse lives than women, and I want that to change. I want men to change to be better suited to the world and I want the world to change to be better suited to men.

    Are you unconcerned with the men's lives, or are you just convinced that thand that a meritocracy will fix all of men's problems? Because that simply isn't true
  2. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 6/15/2008 4:07 PM
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    I believe that men only lead worse lives when it comes to the interactions between men and women. If you lead a life like mine then there is really nothing to get in your way.

    I didn’t understand what the last part meant but as for the first part, I’ve stated before that it’s bad ideas, not bad people that are the cause of a lot of the problems. The “they’re just evil” / “feminazis” stance is a little childish.
  3. Posted by: anonymous on 6/15/2008 8:07 PM
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    I didnt say they were evil, i said that they're bigots in that they think men are innately inferior to women. Anyone that thinks one group of people is better than another without any evidence is a bigot. I would never use the term evil or feminazi.

    Men have lower life expectancy, educational achievement, and economic consumption. Men make up a hugely disproportionate number prisoners, the homeless, suicide victims, work place fatalities, murder victims.

    Do you want to change those disparities?


    My overall point is this: you said that feminists want equality of outcome, when the reality is that they want equality of outcome only in the areas where men outperform women, they don't have any problems with all the disparities I outlined above.

    You also also claim that MRA's are only concerned with equality of opportunity, and my point is that men need more than that.
  4. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 6/16/2008 8:24 AM
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    “My overall point is this: you said that feminists want equality of outcome, when the reality is that they want equality of outcome only in the areas where men outperform women”

    Look, I know this already. Is your complaint that I didn’t take feminists to task for this in the video? Then come out and say that, but I am not a simpleton on these issues. Most MRA’s realised that feminists only fight for the glamorous areas when they first start turning off from feminism, I was going to make a specific video about that particular subject on a different day.
  5. Posted by: anonymous on 6/16/2008 9:53 AM
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    "The feminists tend to believe that equality of outcome is what matters, that the columns under men and women must match for there to be no more sexism ... This is the foundation of our debate."

    Thats from the block in the upper right hand corner, so that plus all the other videos I've seen made me think that you thought feminist believed in equality of outcome. You probably see why I may have thought that. Its good to know that you don't and i'm looking forward to the video where you talk about it. You should probably also change the block in the upper right hand corner.

    But what about my other point, that, even without all of their special protections, women would still come out on top and that our movement (whatever its called) need to do more than just dismantle those protections.
  6. Posted by: wingspouse on 8/4/2009 1:04 AM
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    I stumbled onto this post while trying to sort out the whole feminist thing. I think you made some great points. I've been so frustrated with extreme feminists telling me I'm setting women back simply because I'm willing to do things to help my husband's career. I also don't subscribe to some of the ideology, but I certainly believe women have a right to be happy and successful.

    If being a feminist means having to stop acting kindly toward my husband, having to give up my right to be against abortion, then I'm in the market for a new term!
  7. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 8/5/2009 11:24 PM
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    You don't sound like you view the world in a victim based way so feminism will probably find no hold with you.
  8. Posted by: Lizardo on 8/8/2009 6:10 PM
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    Feminism grew out of the early socialist movement. What really transformed it was the adaptation of Marxist/Maoist principals that essentially framed men as a class enemy.

    The Marxist element of feminism is most clearly seen in the legal transformation of the US.

    As deadly as the economic Marxism of Communism, the biological Marxism of Feminism is already being seen in the falling fertility rates and rising suicide/murder rates.

    It is this Marxist philosophical that must be identified and attacked, not by 'anti feminist' reactions by by humanist or at least Masculine advocacy.

    Gender equality is a hoax.
  9. Posted by: Violet on 8/13/2009 11:16 PM
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    When feminism means you are forced to NOT to help your men thats called a feminazi. Everyone their choice. Men should have the same rights when staying at home as women, and the same rights after divorce. However one has to stay at home and the kids are the dupe when noone does and grow up in poverty.

    Feminism now is still needed, in many counries women get genital mutilation by birth, circumsicion, are stoned to death etc when they are raped because they are blamed for it. Feminism definately still has its use in the world.
  10. Posted by: CamilBerlin on 1/3/2010 12:39 AM
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    Just a small anecdote:
    A local newspaper in the city I live has been organizing dating parties with the motto "fish seeks bicycle". These parties were a great success.
    Make fun, not hate ;)
  11. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 1/3/2010 1:23 AM
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    Great story :)
  12. Posted by: shelly on 4/8/2010 10:02 AM
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    I sometimes think that I am the only non-feminist left in the world. It is kind of a lonely place to be. I believe that a woman's place is in the home taking care of their husband, kids and home. I believe in the hierarchy that the bible tells me. God, Jesus, Man, then woman. The problem with society today is that woman have emasculated men, with their crazy notion that we are equal. They have taken their jobs, their place in the home and their place in the marriage. I believe that woman shouldn't be allowed in politics, woman run on emotion, men run on logic and reason. Until woman figure out where they really belong, we will have school shootings and children that run the house, and men who are lost because their place in the hierarchy has been usurped.
  13. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 4/8/2010 11:37 AM
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    Well shelly. I completely disagree with your opinion there. I don't want to tell anyone how they should live, nor to I expect to be told how to live. As a libertarian, I am happy with you living how you want to live along with the most career driven women. To say that women should not be allowed to do things that they are perfectly capable of doing is tyranny.
  14. Posted by: Pankaj on 4/8/2010 5:10 PM
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    @shelly,

    The bible makes no such claim about hierarchy - except for one place, which I take to be a caution against disregard for men. Apparently, people back then might have suspected that women are easily influenced and can engage in misandry. Although it is fashionable for some who want to interpret it the way you did, that does not make it so. This is one of the problems with believing in a book - it is open to interpretation.

    Other than that I second whatever Argus just said. As a extreme libertarian - I respect your right to believe and follow such a lifestyle - but do not agree that there is any "good" behind it.
  15. Posted by: Erik I on 7/27/2010 3:33 AM
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    I'm sorry but where did you link the essay?
  16. Posted by: Superficaoca on 8/12/2010 10:21 AM
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    Shelley: the hierarchy that you love (God, Jesus, Man - you - then woman) is blasphemy for any real christian, but very nice concept for any male tyramn..
    all my love to ArgusEyes

    fight against HATE, not against healthy, innocent feminism
    beloved men, this is dedicated to you too..:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJrPBatDViM
  17. Posted by: Katty on 1/9/2011 2:01 PM
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    I think using the radicals of ANY sort of movement as the example is quite a poor choice if you want a cogent argument. Though you effectively express your opinion very eloquently (which is the reason I listened through your whole video and paid attention to what you said), I feel that you may have failed to recognize that there are many different kinds of feminists and to bundle them all under the same stereotype of mislead men-haters makes your argument a tad shallow. I consider myself a feminist and disagree with many of the things you claim about us. I believe, like any member of a movement, in our central ideal, which is that women and men deserve to be equal before law and society. After that, you will find that feminists disagree on a wide range of topics, much like members of the same political party or special interest group often do. By the dictionary definition of feminism, you promote the "feminist agenda" whether you claim to be a feminist or not.
    I definitely appreciated your post, however, as it lead me to understand why people follow anti-feminism; most other posts on the matter are quite poorly written and rather idiotic.
  18. Posted by: Brad Wolff on 9/6/2011 9:59 AM
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    100 Eyes,

    I am on your side -- and speak from profound experience: I was with a woman 13 years older than me (I am 52) for sixteen years, beginning when I was a mere lad of 20. Of course I ate up every morsel fed to me via the feminist college conduit. I believed that "women don't lie about rape" that "women are all friends with other" and my favorite: In Divorce Court, a so-called feminist with a Masters Degree and Professional License, with zero children, demands alimony and property settlement payments!
    What I wanted to say is that yes, I too was badly shaken and bruised by it all, until I met the woman who was playing your video an hour ago! We've been together for almost 9 years now; Amy is 17 years my junior! (I know...). My point is that women of a certain age have a tough time breaking free of the B.S. paradigm, while younger Gen X, Gen Y women have a better chance of being honest and up front about themselves, about the dynamics of women in society, about how women and men relate - or don't relate, etc.. We think that perhaps younger women have witnessed the spew and bitterness from Mom directed not just at Dad, but pretty much everyone. They've realized for themselves the illogical and empty promise-filled thinking, and more.
    Last bit: The line from the movie "As good as it gets" where a young woman asks: "How do you know women so well?" to which Nicholson replies: "I think of a woman and take away reason and accountability." ---- My ex-wife hates the line, my wife laughs and nods her head...nuf said.

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