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The problems with feminism

posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:59 PM

I've criticised feminism many times but there is still an attitude of “feminism is just trying to achieve equality, why don’t you like it?”. And I feel that my main problems with feminism have not been explained with sufficient detail. So the aim of this video is to describe what I don’t like about feminist and what are the things that they do that cause concern. I’ll make six points here.

  1. Leading feminist have a anti-male attitude.

    Feminist who have prominent positions within feminism, women who lead feminist though you could say, seem to have some extremely radical views on men and to blatantly hate men. Here are some quotes.

    “We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men...”
    Elizabeth Cady Stanton

    "Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
    Andrea Dworkin

    "Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience"
    Catherine Comins, Vassar College

    "I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
    Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan

    "To be male is to be a kind of idiot savant"
    Germaine Greer

    "All men are rapists and that's all they are"
    Marilyn French

    “..the ratio of men to women must be radically reduced so that men approximate only ten percent of the total population"
    Sally Gearhart, The Future is Female

    "No, we don't believe that any woman should have this choice. No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make it."
    Simone de Beauvoir

    "I feel that 'man-hating' is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
    Robin Morgan

  2. Feminist promote misleading statistics in the apparent aim of denigrating men and promoting their agenda.

    Feminist statistics are biased, the most notorious example of this is when polling women in colleges on whether or not they were raped, they ask them questions such as “did you ever have sex when you didn’t want to” and then afterwards they translated their answer into a tick for rape. Some of the statistics are so outrageous that I don’t know how people can parrot them without questioning it. The best example of this is the 1 in 2 women will be raped stat, which is so insane I don’t know where to start. The numbers feminists spout spurious stats all the time and rarely mention where they come from.

  3. Feminist support sexist laws

    Title nine – when you see the word “quotas” then that means discrimination.

    Criminalisation of reckless sex – where only the man was culpable.

    Quotas and positive discrimination

  4. Feminists oppose laws that will help men

    Shared parenting – NOW

    Reproductive rights – Glenn Sacks show with Hugo Schyster

    Protection for men for domestic violence – shelters for men

  5. Feminist make excuses for female wrongs

    Feminists never seem to condone the wrongful actions of women and always seem to defend then. The best example of this was Andrea Yates – who drowned her 5 children in a bathtub. In 2001 the NOW president Patricia Ireland exclaimed that Yates had “Revealed America as a patriarchal society" where "women are imprisoned at home with their children.”, check out the sources for a great article by wendy mcelroy.

  6. Feminism is gynocentric

    Gynocentricity means to be focused on women or concerned with only women [2]. I have found no better term that explains feminists and ehen it all comes down to it, when you look at the ways in which feminists behave, it is quite clear that the 1 issue they are consistent on is that when it benefits women they’ll be behind it and when it benefits men they’ll be against it.

And we leave it to these people to represent the status of gender equity in the western world? There are many more things that they say that are almost as bad as this, along with the other points in this video. We leave it to these people to be the guards of sexual equality? Are we out of out tiny little minds.

Sources
[1] http://www.ifeminists.com/introduction/editorials/2002/0226.html
[2] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gynocentric
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Comments


# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by Theodore H Smith on 5/11/2008 8:45 PM
Gravatar Feminism doesn't just SEEM to have anti-male hate. It is formed out of male-hate.
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by jay edwards on 5/11/2008 8:45 PM
Gravatar great stuff man, Just found your site-- i have been fighting the good fight against "feminism" since I read its foundational documents in 1980. Feminism is a hate movement. It is hatred of men. It is anti-male bigotry. No rational and moral person can be a feminist.... These are not radical statements. Just direct anyone to feminists' own writings. They spew irrational hatred of men. Most normal people cannot get more than a few pages without putting the vile filth down....
Great to see your site. I am a busy fellow, but hope I can drop by. also-- most men know feminism is crap and about 80% of women spout anti-male bigotry shamelessly. Its just not masculine to complain about women's abuse of us. I don't worry about it. I give feminsists the bayonet-- through the chest and out the back whenever they degrade and dehumanize men. You should see their shock when they are confronted with their bogotry. Women are so indulged... etahasgard1986@aol.com
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by ArgusEyes on 5/11/2008 8:45 PM
Gravatar You're welcome any time man. Thanks.
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by thestudent09 on 5/11/2008 8:46 PM
Gravatar this is thestudent09 and im a long time fan of your videos argus and i want to thank you for finaly putting out the blatant flaws in modern day feminist ideology argus these are very good videos with very good points but up untill now i feel that you have never stated what was derectly wrong with feminsim but what you did state what the bad byproducts of feminism were and those on their own are bad enough to warent the movements disbandment. this however compleatly solidifys that
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by ArgusEyes on 5/11/2008 8:46 PM
Gravatar For anyone that requires further clarification:

1) Leading feminist have a anti-male attitude.
How do you prove? Examples of misandrist attitudes.
Did I? Yes, the quotes I gave sufficed. This is the only point that used quotes.
How would you do a stat for this? You don’t it is an observation. The existence of a man hating attitude (hello? Mary Daley, Andrea Dworkin, Valerie Solanas) proved this. PROVED.

2) Feminist promote misleading statistics in the apparent aim of denigrating men and promoting their agenda.
How do you prove? Give example of false statistics that feminists have promulgated.
Did I? Yes, a knock-down solid example is the superbowl myth. An absolute lie by a feminist.
How would you do a stat for this? You can’t you have to examine on a case by case basis. The existence of one such example proves the point. PROVED.

3) Feminist support sexist laws
How do you prove? You need to find a law or rule that offers different treatment based on sex, which is supported by popular feminism.
Did I? Yes, quotas are a knock-down irrefutable proof of sexism.
How would you do a stat for this? You can’t you have to examine on a case by case basis. The existence of one such example proves the point. PROVED.

4) Feminists oppose laws that will help men.
How do you prove? You need to find a law or rule that offers different treatment based on sex, which is supported by popular feminism and which is to the detriment of men.
Did I? Yes, shared parenting is a knock-down example of this. Any person not steeped in socialist much can see the real plight of these fathers.
How would you do a stat for this? You can’t you have to examine on a case by case basis. The existence of one such example proves the point. PROVED.

5) Feminist make excuses for female wrongs.
How do you prove? Difficult, what is wrong? Popular opinion decides. Murdering children would commonly be decided as wrong.
Did I? Yes I have an example of a feminist defence of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children.
How would you do a stat for this? You can’t you have to examine on a case by case basis. The existence of one such example proves the point. PROVED.

6) Feminism is gynocentric.
How do you prove? You can’t really, this is an opinion backed up by logical reasoning.
What reasoning? It’s called Fem-inism, wage gape, only care about glass ceiling and not glass floor, DV shelters for men, etc. Watch my other videos
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by spacepickle79 on 5/11/2008 8:46 PM
Gravatar waaaa, poor men, always insulted and mocked and mistreated! how do you poor men get along in this world! 1. man-hating. not true. do some research on world history and the treatment of women thereof. obviously there's no space in this format to document every single atrocity, but suffice it to say, the history of the oppression of women is vast. 2. misleading statistics. not sure of your sources, but referring to point #1, there's evidence that the stats are actually very conservative and that in reality, MORE women have been raped or victims of domestic violence than is documented. if you weren't a "woman-hater", perhaps you wouldn't have a problem with that. 3. sexist laws. true equality - that's what we want. true equality means that men and women would have the same opportunities without bias. same pay for doing the same job. no one would call us "bitches and whores", no one would tell us what to wear or how to behave or what to do with our bodies. that's true equality. well I hate to break it to you, but that's just not happening. until that day, sadly, the only way to ensure that women will get treated fairly is to enact laws that force people to do so. sorry, I hate to burst your bubble, but take a look at the world around you, but it's true. until it's 100% safe for a woman to walk down the street wearing whatever the hell she wants, without fear of rape or attack, you're damn right there better be laws forcing the men in power to take her seriously. 4. laws that protect men??? again, see point #3 regarding equal treatment by society and equal protection under the law. sorry, but society is just not there yet, hence the laws to ensure we get treated fairly. 5. Andrea Yates. what she did was horrible and at first glance, yes, that bitch should rot in prison for the rest of her life. I suggest you research the entire story about how her weirdo religious beliefs (invented by men to control women and keep us in our places, popping out baby after baby) so warped her mind that she was all alone in her struggle with those kids. even her church did not reach out to her. where was everyone? killing the kids was wrong, but do your research. there are so many other issues going on here that frankly your arguement is slightly offensive, not to mention ignorant. 6. Gynocentrism: "the practice, conscious or otherwise, of placing female human beings or the feminine point of view at the center of one's view of the world and its culture and history." well I'm a woman, so of course my world view is from a feminine point of view. how the hell else could I be? and again, without running through the thousands of atrocities commited on women BY MEN - the world needs a little more of a feminine point of view.

and finally, your ramblings smack of insecurity. I have more respect for a man who is secure enough in his own skin to admit that yes, men have treated women absolutely horribly throughout the ages and it's time to stop all that crap. you're so insecure that you are behaving as if women blame you personally for all the wrongs done against them.
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by Callie on 5/11/2008 8:46 PM
Gravatar I'm not going to outright call you wrong, but I am going to propose a feminine viewpoint on the subject for your consideration. You can choose to consider it, or you can choose to ignore it, and prove that you do not have the open mind I think you have.

1. Feminism isn't about hating men, but rather the actions that men have taken that have been undesirable toward an equal world. For instance, if you have ever read The Feminine Mistique, you'll know that when women began feeling discontent in their daily, housewife-lives, they were not only ignored, but told that it was their own fault that they felt that way, and that they were either making things up, or were crazy, by the men whom they discussed the sensation with. Feminists, especially modern day feminists, do not hate men for such things, but rather the fact that they did such things. It's the same as having a sibling who destroys something precious to you; you don't hate them, but you hate that they broke it.

2. I'll use the rape example you gave above. While it seems outrageous, studies have shown that 50% of the men interviewed (college students, working class, and middle class men alike) claim that if they knew they could get away with it, they would commit a rape. At the same time, rape issues focus on women more because of the fact that men are least likely to report a rape. As far as statistics go, any group of people can use statistics to their advantage, no matter who they are. This point isn't a fair one to wield against feminists unless you plan to wield it against every other group that wants to make a point as well. Here is a good source for information on rape statistics, for women AND men: http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html?gclid=CN6Qqt76y48CFSthIgodDRlPyg

3. Quotas and positive discrimination aren't just sexist, they're prejudiced against everyone, for everyone. For example, most colleges must admit a certain amount of individuals from certain minority groups, and many work places must do the same. To say that this is purely a feminist approach would be a lie, because it has been used by nearly every group that has fought for equality over the years. At the same time, support for the tactic is as large as it is because it is a step toward true equality, when a woman will be hired for a job not because she's a woman, but because she truly is the most capable for the job. Quotas and positive discrimination aren't the best way to go about things, but at the same time, open the door for groups who would otherwise be discriminated against in a negative fashion.

4. In the video, it is stated that there are many reasons why certain laws would benefit women as much as men, yet none are stated in detail other than that as a whole, they exist. That's a bit unprofessional, I think, because if you're going to make a point, you may as well go through fully with it. This returns to the previous statement from the video about how feminists use data to their advantage without giving a source; to say there's reasons and not states them can be seen as a form of hipocracy on this point, can it not? Aside from that, the major reason in my mind for laws supporting equal time with children between mother and father is that it would interfere with the child's schooling, especially if the parents lived towns apart and the child(ren) had to attend two schools in one year. It also, then, would limit the parents' right to be able to move from one town to another if they were to find a better job, because then things get even more difficult for the child in question. Of course, some kids are more resilient than others, but that depends on age and maturity.

5. I have never heard this statement in my life. I believe that the statement by Patricia Ireland could be interpreted in multiple ways, such as that Yates revealed that women are imprisoned at home with their children, by being driven completely out of her mind. Her 'imprisonment' at home with her children could have been as simple as her being unable to leave to blow off some steam, as people usually do when angry, because perhaps she was the only caregiver for them, or her husband was not home at the time? There is no excuse for what she did, mind you. NO ONE supported Yates in her actions, because no parent, or even women who wish to be parents someday, would support the drowning of an innocent child.

6. The word opposite gynocentric is misogynistic, which means, a deep hatred or fear of women. For the longest time, America was misogynistic, keeping women in the home and not even allowing them to work until WWII, in which case they were immediately sent back home once the men arrived. As a species, humans have always put men first in the larger cultures (though in some African tribes, the gender roles are completely reversed, and the women are in charge), and so is it really terrible to think that the tables are turning? Most feminists don't want to rule the world or do to men what they've done to us. Most feminists wish for EVERYONE to be happy, just as most Civil Rights leaders do.

This video makes feminists seem like an army of man-hating, bullshit-spewing lesbians, when really, I'm willing to bet the gentleman in the video has never attended a rally, nor read any texts central to the feminist cause (I recommend Women: Images and Reality, a Multicultural Anthology, as it has been a major text in most Intro to Women's and Gender Studies courses).

With every group of people, there are extremists, from the Islamic people to the East, to the Christians here at home. Yet, why should an entire group suffer because of a few individuals' actions? Not every feminist is a bra-burning, hairy-legged lunatic. In fact, most of them are happily married (to the men you claim they detest), with children, just doing what they can to survive in the world, just like everyone else.

I hope that I've been enlightening, and that you might open your eyes enough to see what it is that I'm saying. People constantly make feminism out to be some sort of terrible, unnecessary thing, but as long as people think that, there's still need for it.

Women are strong, beautiful human beings, just like men, but treated so differently from them that it's sickening; THAT is why feminism is necessary. THAT is why we fight for equality, and THAT is why feminism is not just some stupid little game. Women are discriminated against more now than ever because of feminism, yet without feminism, many would lose their strength, because there would be no more reason to deal with the shit they catch from people every day.

I am a feminist, and I want you to know that we're not some insane group of women who just needed a hobby, and that your own sources are questionable as much as you claim ours to be.
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by ArgusEyes on 5/11/2008 8:47 PM
Gravatar Callie. Could you email me please? I think that's the best way to reply to what you wrote.
info@sus-shib.co.uk
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by johnymo on 5/11/2008 8:47 PM
Gravatar spacepickle79, you are the problem. You are sexist and in denial. Man-hating exists, and that is incontrovertable. To call him a "woman hater" just because he's pointing out discrimination in the feminist movement is utterly ignorant and one-sided. Yes, men have mistreated women throughout the ages, but to assume that women aren't capable of discrimination as well is completely idiotic. Sexism by women against men exists in feminism, and even among many non-feminists, so stop spouting your biased and sexist delusions of men as the only ones who can be at fault.
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by unknown on 5/11/2008 8:47 PM
Gravatar i found your side while looking for statistics on Feminism. while some points are valid and i appreciate you sometimes look at other views (eg Ifeminism) i feel you are far too focused on the radical element of Feminism which of course is the most popularized as it makes good copy and soundbites for Newspapers etc. about your above comment on rape statistics, i work with rape victims and write a lot about rape for my degree, therefore all arguments must be backed up etc etc. therefore i suggest you look at the official goverment and police statistics, asked using neutral non-leading questions- the true extent of sexual violence is shown there. personally i hate Dworkin-her radical views have their place provoking debate, unfortuently people like you utilize her soundbites to show an unequal representation of feminist liturature. i suggest you stop looking at outdated writings and read Knockback or F-word. FEMINISTS WRITING TODAY. majority of the articles critique how women present other women, media representations and feminism itself NOT MEN. really we have better things to do with our time then slag off men. on that note i am going to go write an article. Bit about me:i was raped when i was 14 again when was 21.so more reason then most to hate men. yet i am engaged to a fantastic man, have many male and female friends and have never attacked anyone due to there gender.like most feminists no i have never felt the need to burn my bra and yes i am women enough to need one.
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by Gloria S. on 5/11/2008 8:47 PM
Gravatar Wow-great post! I am a woman and a staunch anti-feminist so I applaud your video and your bravery in speaking out against this serious issue. Oh, and I read in the comments that someone called men who speak out against feminism insecure. That's silly-it's the insecure men who let feminism get a foothold to begin with. Anyways, great job!
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by Pam on 5/11/2008 8:48 PM
Gravatar I don't know where you get your information from, but you lump 'feminists' under one homogenous group - that's like me saying every man with a beard and glasses thinks like you do. Feminsts are not man haters, but just want a square deal (equal pay, etc). I would do some more research if I were you (that's if it wouldn't conflict with your small-minded views!
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by David Hughes on 8/12/2008 11:17 PM
Gravatar Feminism was never about equality for women, it was about obtaining for women a place in society with special privileges. In the UK for instance, eight ninths of the National Health budget is spent on women's health leaving very little left for children and men. Is this illustrative of women's "caring" side?
75% of all divorces in the UK are initiated by women because they know the courts will be on their side and they will probably end up with the children and the family home plus a generous child allowance imposed on the father who might seldom be allowed to see his children.
Feminists try to infer - they even say it outright - that domestic violence is only committed by men. This is one of their biggest lies as official figures show that approximately half of domestic violence is committed by women.
Feminists further imply that most child abuse is by men. This is an even worse lie as the National Society for the Protection of Children (NSPCC) has published figures which clearly show that most child abuse is by women - mostly mothers. They perpetrate four times as much child abuse as biological fathers.
The British Home Office has admitted that women are favoured in our law courts to the extent that men receive one third longer sentences than women for committing the same crime.
I could go on - the list is endless. If you want the truth about the effects of feminism and the harm it has done to society then visit the ManKind website: www.mankind.org.uk
# re: The problems with feminism
Posted by David Hill on 8/22/2008 8:14 PM
Gravatar Hi Chris great stuff. I was just wanting to get your take on the sexist laws supported by many women in other cultures. We all hear about the laws of the middle east and how they oppress women and they do! However, what about the sexist laws of Malaysia and Singapore that allow corporal punishment only to male violators of the law. These cultures are quite progressive especially compared to the Middle East. Women are judges, lawyers, and members of the military sentencing men to a cruel and degrading punishment that the accident of their birth prevented from ever happening to them regardless of what crime they committed! Clear gender discrimination why does NOW not protest these sexist laws since they only want equality?
# Feminist world history course
Posted by Ivan on 8/25/2008 7:57 PM
Gravatar Hey Space Pickle, that 1 course you took on Feminism proves nothing. You see what you want to see. Feminism is a Luceriferian ideal because it degrades marriage, children, and family. A successful marriage is possible if the woman allows the man to have the respect he deserves. Woman and children first. Right. Just because a few witches at Pendal hill were burnt in the 17th century does not mean there is a global conspiracy to subjugate women. Men are not as bad as you think. Remember, we were created first and it was the woman who was to be the companion. Furthermore Eve ate the apple causing 'man' to leave the garden and she was punished with the task of birth. If you do not believe in the bible than I can consider you a satanist. Repent for your will is much different from god's. All these facts were taken from NOW
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The path to true gender equality

What is equality? We in the men’s rights movement believe in equality of opportunity, that as long as the playing field is level then the outcomes should not matter. The feminists tend to believe that equality of outcome is what matters, that the columns under men and women must match for there to be no more sexism. So what really matters at the end of the day is what you are comparing. Rights or outcomes? This is the foundation of our debate.