Men are more oppressed than women

It is quite hard to state "what feminist believe” because there is no overarching definition of what a particular feminist may believe, one thing that seems to be a basic belief of feminist seems to be the idea that women are oppressed. In my mind the key to debunking feminism and validating men’s rights activism is to overthrow this particular idea.

Now what is oppression? This is the key of the matter, it is important to make a distinction between personal choice and governmental and institutional coercion in this matter. The best place to start is with the dictionary [1].

op•pres•sion [uh-presh-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation – noun
1. the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
2. an act or instance of oppressing.
3. the state of being oppressed.
4. the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, anxiety, etc.

The first definition is the most applicable here. If the fourth definition is used then any situation where a person is not happy could be called oppression. It is fair to say that when people talk about "being oppressed” then there is an oppressing force, usually a government behind it. Feminist talk about oppression from the patriarchy or men. I was tempted when writing this article to consider only oppression by law by the government which shall be addressed alongside oppression by the exercise of authority in a cruel, burdensome and unjust manner.

I will start with the most narrowly defined version of oppression. Oppression by law. For women to meet this category there has to be a law that grants men more rights then they have. If you ever have a conversation with a feminist I want you to play this game with them, ask in which way women are oppressed by law. I have played this game myself and the results do little to convince.

On one occasion it was mentioned that the poorest class in America is the single mother. But these people have come to their situation from their own personal choices, the government does not force one to become a single mother therefore it does not meet the category of government oppression. Another thing that was mentioned was that some women who have children have not managed to make enough money to qualify for a full state pension, Oppression?! This is actually an example of equality the only discrimination practised here is that you have enough money, not got enough then you cannot get it, got enough then you get it.

But no! Here come the feminists, equitable has a different meaning apparently, from quality of opportunity to equality of outcome. People like this would have women granted a pension automatically without paying a dime.

Whenever I point these things out or even ask how women are oppressed in the first place then the feminist I am arguing with goes strangely silent, interesting that.. Over time it seems to me that the feminists have little of anything to list as a genuine oppression. And remember that we are talking about oppression for now in its most narrow form, if feminist have nothing here then they have nothing full stop. So, do men’s rights activists have anything here? Oh boy do we…

First unlike the example above this pension tale is genuine oppression. Men in the UK have to work until 65 to qualify for a full pension, women have to work until 60 and generally make less and have more paternity leave. Laws that impose different standards on us based on our sex. Sounds like oppression to me.

How about the fact that discrimination against men is governmentally mandated. Forget about the companies and the universities. The most solid example of this is the new leader of the conservative party in the UK proposed quotas to get the shortlist of political candidates to be half women [2]. Where you see quotas read discrimination.

How about the right to reproductive control. When a woman becomes pregnant then she can abort, give up for adoption and in America shortly after the birth she can abandon the baby and resolve herself of parentage of that baby, this is called safe haven abandonment. When a man gets a woman pregnant then he is screwed, his entire life now becomes a script that the woman will write. If he wants the baby and she doesn’t tough for him, if he doesn’t want the baby and she does then tough for him also.

How about the right to equal protection? Our fascist police state will oppressively arrest a man for a woman’s violence because only men can abuse. A message that is spread by our system and our politicians.

How about the denial of parentage for men? When a split happens the man is treated as sub-human, completely controlled by the government who tell him when he can see his children and when he can’t like he is some sort of criminal.

How about divorce? Where a woman is entitled to her husbands assets and men are made to pay out large sums of money to their wives from businesses that they made succeed. A recent case involved a large payout and continual payouts every year for the rest of the woman’s life!

A man is more likely to be convicted and convicted for longer periods of time than a woman for a similar crime, like murder. We need only look at the attitudes surrounding the Clara Harris case and we see the sympathy that is poured on a woman murderer.

Health spending, for every £1 spend on men’s health care, £8 is spent on women’s health care [3]. Government and charity spending for breast cancer is 37 millions, it’s 10 million for prostate cancer, both diseases kill as many. So the government is spending more to protect a certain segment of the population, how about that?

Oh, by the way. I have been criticised before about not including sources for the things I say. I am always looking to improve my videos so check out the companion blog for this video and you will see them. (point left).

This is only discussing laws and government action that oppress. What about a broader definition of oppression that includes the exercise of authority in a cruel or unjust manner. Undoubtedly under this banner could appear things such as the denigration of deadbeat dads and cruelty in the media. This video is not about that, the point of this video is to point out that in the narrowest definition of oppression women are not oppressed and men are oppressed. We as a society should abandon the feminist hegemony and adopt men’s rights activism as a tool to reach true equality in law.

Sources
[1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oppression
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4517734.stm
[3] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/351518.stm
Posted on: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:56 PM
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  1. Posted by: thestudent09 on 5/11/2008 8:20 PM
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    you know we realy shouldent get reproductive rights since we obviously dont contribute halve of the genetic structure of the child (sarcasm) gee what basterds we are for wanting some power over our lives when children come along (more sarcasm) and you know wemon realy should be able to beat the crap out of us before the police do (im off the meter with sarcasm) laws and double standereds like these realy make me sick
  2. Posted by: The Depressed Doormat on 5/11/2008 8:20 PM
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    Hey there, I think I had commented on a video of yours on Youtube, about Renuka Choudhary, the Indian Women and Child Welfare minister. I found this site quite by accident. I found one of your statements to be quite illuminating, and that was, "Women seek equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity." I wanted to know if thats an original or a quote, and if its an original I would like to post that on my blog. http://ihyphenhate.blogspot.com
  3. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 5/11/2008 8:20 PM
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    I think many have said that before I did. But go for it.
  4. Posted by: A3n on 5/11/2008 8:20 PM
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    I think many have said that before I did. But go for it.
  5. Posted by: A3n on 5/11/2008 8:21 PM
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    student*
  6. Posted by: Fuckyou on 5/11/2008 8:21 PM
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    You suck,fatty
  7. Posted by: Stealthmodeon on 5/11/2008 8:21 PM
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    I recently came up with the solution to "paternity rape". I propose to have my son vasectomized at 16, but first we collect a number of sperm donations to be frozen (at my cost).. This will allow my son total control over when and with who he has a child. Of course it is drastic BUT it is a desperate situation....
  8. Posted by: peter on 5/11/2008 8:21 PM
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    men are more oppressed than women no doubt the media and society lies lies and lies about the "suffer" of women and simply ignore the true more oppressed men
  9. Posted by: thestudent09 on 5/11/2008 8:22 PM
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    A3n its all sarcasm. i whole hartedly agree with argus
  10. Posted by: Willard on 9/4/2008 9:02 AM
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    Argus is right. The sad part is that more people will willingly hear lies about men than the truth about women.
  11. Posted by: Alex on 9/4/2008 1:21 PM
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    I agree with Willard.

    When will people open their eyes?
  12. Posted by: Anonymous on 11/4/2008 5:27 AM
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    You have to take into consideration that the government or men as a matter of fact didn't have options that the men had. Men were being paid more than women before and it still MAY hold true today. Women's income and wages belong to their husband when they got married. You need to make the distinction of what era or century you are talking about then make your argument because clearly, you do not know the history of women.
  13. Posted by: Anonymous on 11/4/2008 5:32 AM
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    Sorry, my bad..
    Rephrase:

    "You have to take into consideration that the government or men as a matter of fact didn't give that many options to the women that men had."

    I do not deny the argument you made about men being oppressed, but before you start throwing facts and missing the entire point of women's oppression, do your research first.

    It would be okay if you argued: "People say women have been oppressed for ages, but the majority are forgetting that men have ALSO been oppressed. Here are some yadda yadda facts..." Instead of comparing who's more oppressed than the other.
  14. Posted by: Bhanu Prasad on 11/7/2008 2:04 PM
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    Men suppress despair, complain a lot less and get on with the job. Even if he complains most women and few chivalrous men put it down as an "unmanly" act.

    On contrary most of the women shout,whine, complain and weep even on a small obstacle. There is a breed of men, idiotic to the core, called chivalrous males. Seeing a woman in "despair" emotion and a false sense of heroism takes over these pathetic men. Women, combined with these men, make a mountain out of anthill. Hence our culture is awash with female victim-hood.
  15. Posted by: Bri on 3/13/2009 7:25 PM
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    I know, a world where you remain a first class citizen no matter where you go, people take you more seriously, you get paid more for the same job, people don't soften their tone because they think you are a glass doll, and you are objectified to sex is so oppressive right?

    Anyways...

    "Men in the UK have to work until 65 to qualify for a full pension, women have to work until 60 and generally make less and have more paternity leave."

    You're complaining about making way more for a tiny bit of extra time?

    "How about the right to reproductive control."

    You have one, and soon to be more. It's called a Condom.

    "How about divorce?"

    The man is usually the cause. Read up on statistics.

    "A man is more likely to be convicted and convicted for longer periods of time than a woman for a similar crime, like murder."

    You did this to yourselves being the blood-letters of the world that males are.

    "Health spending, for every £1 spend on men’s health care, £8 is spent on women’s health care [3]."

    Guys are afraid to go to the doctor, so a not as big storm is brought up and brought to attention. Again, did this to yourselves.

    "We as a society should abandon the feminist hegemony and adopt men’s rights activism as a tool to reach true equality in law. "

    We already have, and it has led to the screwed up world we live in now, and the most inhumane atrocities committed ever in human history.

    Ever notice the countries where women have little to no involvement due to oppression, the true oppression, are in the shitter? Only when women started having a say did we as people become more civilized and peaceful, interrupting a males brutal rule.

    You did this to yourselves, and now you are paying up.

  16. Posted by: Pankaj on 3/14/2009 2:08 AM
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    "Only when women started having a say did we as people become more civilized and peaceful, interrupting a males brutal rule."

    You do know that the post female-suffrage era has been the bloodiest period in the entire history of man-kind right? Oh yes, you do "it has led to the screwed up world we live in now, and the most inhumane atrocities committed ever in human history." Only you think feminism has not contributed to this? OK. Stick to feminism all you like - infact, I encourage you to stick with feminism. Feminism is the best defense against misandry - but not in the way most feminists think. I encourage adherence to a 100% feminist doctrine on your part. Keep hating men. Keep blaming men.
  17. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 3/14/2009 9:26 PM
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    @Bri. I actually made a post about your comment.
  18. Posted by: bob on 6/26/2009 8:01 PM
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    A lot of people are religious all over the world, and if you look at religion women aren't looked that highly upon. You keep pointing the finger toward women and feminist, when a lot of these unfair rules for men where made by men, being that men are usually in charge.
  19. Posted by: Steve on 10/26/2009 3:40 AM
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    It's time for men to unite, unless we want to continue being second class citizens. And Bob is right: men have often treated men who were lower down the ladder very badly. It's time for that to end, also.
  20. Posted by: bob on 10/26/2009 10:47 PM
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    "It's time for men to unite, unless we want to continue being second class citizens. And Bob is right: men have often treated men who were lower down the ladder very badly. It's time for that to end, also."

    Thanks, but before you agree with me you might want to read some of my other comments.(unless your only talking about that one)
  21. Posted by: Tssch on 11/17/2009 4:26 PM
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    Bri, even IF what you say is 100% right, it doesn't make feminism any less of a cancer on this planet. Feminsism is finishing what power-hungry demonic men started (whom are also to blame for every single statement you make in your post as opposed to men in general). Fact of the matter is, women are just as evil as men but they've never been able to express their dark nature because men are born with an edge. That edge is testoserone.

    Men are bigger, stronger and natural go-getters from birth. Women have the same desires as men because we are all human, but they don't have that edge that I just referred to. So they hide their natural instincts only to let them out when they're at the advantage. I shall name a few:

    Child custody, abortion, domestic violence (and violence in general), sexual relations and very often the general household/money handling.

    The real problem, the problem that affects us all is the oppression of government on the general people. The real problem is the imbalance of power between the government and the general people. They own everything and we own nothing. Most of them like it that way and don't want things to change, so they use all kinds of highly effective tricks to keep the power on their side. One of these tricks is to make us argue amongst each other instead of with them.

    Feminism is one of these tricks. There are multiple sources that explain how feminism was sponsered by the CIA and rich international bankers such as the Rockefellers in order to destabalize society. Notice how all of the examples I mentioned earlier of women exercising their dark desires are all instances where they are backed up by the "law".

    You create feminism to make women believe they are absolute victims (of men), and then you give them more rights and thus power, power over men. That's like slapping someone across the face, giving them a gun and then saying "he did it..". Sounds like a pretty good way to damage the fabric of society to me. Then, big brother has to step in to keep the peace. He'll say give me more power so I can keep the peace and poof, another law is passed wich helps narrow down your choices to either extinction or slavery. Oh how I love life...
  22. Posted by: Tyciol on 1/14/2010 8:58 PM
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    True, true
  23. Posted by: richshot on 3/24/2010 7:23 PM
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    We need a critical mass movement like the feminists had in the 60's. but as was said earlier there are large numbers of idiot chivalrous men who are too dumb to realise they're getting a kicking. The feminists wrote books had meetings organised marches and there was unity. What have we got? a very divided gender; divided by race, religion, sex, age, everyone pulling in different directions and with different biases, all by the way still competing with and screwing eachother over for what? -but all are enslaved, demeaned, scorned and vicariously murdered through their shorter lifespans etc; what amazes me is that so many good women must see this and do nothing or further defend themselves as victims. Their evil manifests itself in some fascinating ways.
  24. Posted by: Pankaj on 3/24/2010 8:55 PM
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    "We need a critical mass movement like the feminists had in the 60's."

    No we don't. Given that human nature cannot be changed overnight, or even over centuries, this is simply impossible. And even if it were possible, it would be devastating to the concept of justice. What men have, ALL men have, and all men can do individually - is to manage their own affairs better. Don't fund the state which predates on others.. Don't fund the state at all.. why would you? You don't need no nanny telling you that you are a horrible person, or that guns be pointed at you at a woman's say so. And hopefully when the chivalrous idiots realize they are the only ones paying for the guns to point at good men like me and you .. let them make that choice.

    Do they really think it is worth it to spend a growing portion of their earning to benefit women who treat them approximately the same as everyone else??

    This is the best way to combat the socialized weapons of male-destruction - separation of self from the state! Stop funding your own tyrants.
  25. Posted by: richshot on 3/24/2010 11:06 PM
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    Re stop funding your own tyrants:
    I appreciate what you said and can see the logic but what would that entail exactly? leave my job so that I stop paying taxes? how do I pay the rent and bills etc? If you've got a wife + kids you're not so free to manoeuvre.
  26. Posted by: Pankaj on 3/25/2010 2:34 AM
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    There is no definite answer to this question. And it takes more than me telling you what it entails, and then you doing it. You need to figure out a way to work this into your own life (I don't know you or your life.. so you are the best person to figure this out anyway.)

    In my case, I have figured out that lowering my standard of living was part of the strategy - eating up tax funded services up is another. In a way, I have transformed myself into an active malignant parasite on the state, the state does not leave me alone and it will pay for it.
  27. Posted by: Rashid on 5/3/2010 12:33 AM
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    I do agree with you because I have seen politicians use "women and children" to advance their abstact misleading propogations and ignoring men who are oppressed by their women. INdeed, I taking a class called women's culture in which the teacher is feminist lesbain and men hater, who deliberately states that "men can't controll themselves, men should immasculated at young age and few of their sperm frozen in case they want to have children later on". This is a new era of feminist filled with hatred of men and I am scared that if we man only pretend that we care and talk about women's rights, then we ignore of ourselves. I do admire men who speaks for the rights of men because it is just rare to see any men who speaks for men and I beleive there are more men oppressed many different forms than are women. For one thing, the men who are oppressed don't have and did make their own choices but often what feminist call "men oppress women" utterly based on personal choices such as staying home, having more children, or limiting their power in the housewhold, income, and financial decision. Thanks
  28. Posted by: lol on 6/9/2010 9:18 AM
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    you guys are either gay or have no life. get over it, be a man! haha
  29. Posted by: goLookGoRead on 6/22/2010 11:21 AM
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    Your video raises valid points about the importance of fathers in British society. I do think that the system is cruelly stacked up against fathers - I grew up in a single-parent household because of the decisions that my mother made about her life and about my father, 9 months before I was born.

    Life without a father has been dreadful for me, incomplete. My mother would never answer any questions about my father, and took the information with her to her grave. I will never know why. However, I can only hope that she was making decisions about my life in the best interests for my own welfare. I did not feel like beneficiary of that welfare thought.

    Maybe parenthood would be a lot easier for both men and women if Britain had a genuine system of childcare. It would be brilliant if children all could be looked after for free by the State, and that everyone paid for that service like we pay for the NHS. It would be brilliant if the same thing could happen with the care of elderly relatives also.

    A culture of long working hours with many unpaid hours in overtime is totally wrong also. Some people work too many hours and do not have a choice about it, other people are only able to get casual hourly paid work and they don't have a choice about it either - this state of affairs does affect parenthood detrimentally - parents are just too worn out! The pursuit of money to pay back student loans, and to pay deposits on a first home, and to pay for fuel, water, heating... all this stuff affects parenthood... its no wonder
    to me that so many people don't seem to even have the time to love one-another anymore. Its all work, work, work, pay, pay, pay! That is where the real oppression of both ordinary men and women really lies.

    Goodness knows what is going to happen to ordinary men and women (and their children) as a consequence of the economic harships we are now facing... how many more families struggling emotionally for things because of other things that are not entirely their fault!

    The family should be such an important support, that it shouldn't be worked and taxed and oppressed by expensive and inefficient childcare and eldercare. On top of this, there exists the eradication of pensions, and full-time jobs for the majority of families... and last but not lease, there is war, war, and more war - men should not be dying in their hundreds and thousands in far away lands. We should be working with eachother, not against eachother to fight these huge forms of gender oppression.
  30. Posted by: zz9000 on 9/18/2010 10:28 AM
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    I think these are some of the funiest comments so far on the issues of equality. At least I hope that's why you are all here instead of an us vs them scenario (though it remains unclear.)
    Who's the most opressed, men, no women, no men.
    Historically and categorically it's women, no questions... look it up
    Currently and catergorically, you guessed it, it's still women... Don't believe me... go and look it up.
    However, I think the important thing to recognise is that we all lose out when we are socially presssured into limiting gender sterotypes and conforming to behaviours deemed appropriate for our sex on the whole... look that up too.
    Just be nice to each other guys. Respect for all, simples.
  31. Posted by: me on 10/29/2010 9:24 AM
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    zz9000, 'simples...look it up?'...that is a simple argument...or perhaps facile is a better word. Look a little deeper. The facts that you appeal to are not the whole story. We systematically blame young boys and men for everything that is or ever has been wrong in the world and they are failing in record numbers because of it...then they are blamed again for their failures.

    We exploit the more intense and enslaving sexual drives of men by an incessant and inescapable barrage of sexualized female images and then cast hatred on men for displaying the effects of sexual addiction. We fail to protect boys from pornography and other cultural influences that are highly toxic and then blame them when they grow up in record numbers to be misogynists.

    These are profound cultural problems...the gains we made in Western society by unleashing the creative and productive power of women will be undone in the next century if we succeed in continuing to diminish men and boys.
  32. Posted by: Vanessa on 1/7/2011 11:09 AM
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    Most immature, childish and unenlightened writing I have read in a long, long, long time.
  33. Posted by: Mark on 1/7/2011 12:42 PM
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    @Vanessa. Thank you for your stupid opinion. It communicated nothing, it only exists so you can vent your own petty emotions. Narcissist.
  34. Posted by: Sigh on 1/8/2011 3:30 PM
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    "Men in the UK have to work until 65 to qualify for a full pension, women have to work until 60 and generally make less and have more paternity leave."

    You're complaining about making way more for a tiny bit of extra time?

    That is not the point, don't pretend that those 5 years doesn't make a difference, because it does. The point is we are all supposed to be equal, this is not equal. Women have to work less in this case, thus is a bit easier for them, thus un-equal.

    "How about the right to reproductive control."

    You have one, and soon to be more. It's called a Condom.

    You have one, and many others. Its called a Femidom. I seriously laughed when I saw this one. Beyond the condom/femidom that we BOTH have, its unfair beyond that point. I am guessing you couldnt think of anything to say when you were reading that, so you tried to point out men could wear a condom to stop them getting their girl pregnant. Women can also wear a femidom to stop themselves getting pregnant. This is an extremely weak argument. Men have the right to control it, the same way women do during sex, after that, men have NO control.

    "How about divorce?"

    The man is usually the cause. Read up on statistics.

    This argument contradicts all your other points. by saying "usually" you are implying sometimes it is also the womans fault. But I thought men were the cause of everything bad? at least according to you. Besides that, the cause is not usually the man at all, because courts are very bias towards men atm. Statistics also say that most court cases are bias, but if that means that they are true, which you clearly believe because you just said "read up on" then that means the courts are also bias.

    "A man is more likely to be convicted and convicted for longer periods of time than a woman for a similar crime, like murder."

    You did this to yourselves being the blood-letters of the world that males are.

    "you" as in "we" men, again, are not some sort of single hive mind. That is like saying every man is bad, or every woman is bad. But it simply isnt true. Crazy ppl end up with power sometimes.

    "Health spending, for every £1 spend on men’s health care, £8 is spent on women’s health care."

    Guys are afraid to go to the doctor, so a not as big storm is brought up and brought to attention. Again, did this to yourselves.

    That massive difference comes from the big diseases like breast cancer, you are only partially correct, because if you were to compare the total amount of men vs women that get cancer during their lives, its around the same, however when it comes to cancers that are men only, such as prostate cancer, there is way less spent on it then then breast cancer even tho the numbers for those diagnosed are around the same.

    "We as a society should abandon the feminist hegemony and adopt men’s rights activism as a tool to reach true equality in law. "

    We already have, and it has led to the screwed up world we live in now, and the most inhumane atrocities committed ever in human history.

    There have also been many successes because of men too. The people that did those things were deranged either by religion or warped views. Your logic suggests that all men are going to do nothing but cause atrocities, but as I have said, there have been bad things in history that male leaders have done, but a lot of good too. Its only when a psycho gets to the helm of the ship, things go wrong. You are saying all men will make things go wrong. Almost like saying there are no such thing as a bad female leader. Don't make me laugh. There are good and bad people, on either gender.

    Ever notice the countries where women have little to no involvement due to oppression, the true oppression, are in the shitter? Only when women started having a say did we as people become more civilized and peaceful, interrupting a males brutal rule.

    You did this to yourselves, and now you are paying up.

    Again, this "we" thing. Individuals hold power, not everyone. We may not like it but its true.
  35. Posted by: Masculist on 4/18/2011 8:46 PM
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    This is so very true. Male domination is a myth and its time that men realise and see this through this game of women and feminazis.


    The real truth of the myth called Male Dominated:-
    Now that's such a phrase that's been ingrained in our minds since the very childhood... The boys are told that its a male dominated world, so they don't have to worry, just dominate the world. Girls on the other hand are continuously taught, that since its a male dominated world out there, so they need to dominate 'their' male partners at home and around. Sounds familiar?

    Well, amongst all these 'teachings', has anyone stopped for a while to look around an ask a simple question... Is it really true? Is it really a male dominated society? Do we call it 'male dominated' just because the number of men working outside the house is more than the number of women?



    To answer this question, I'll try to start by digging some past, then look at the present and try to project some future too!

    The Glorious Past
    Lets start with the distant history... The great mythologies of India; Ramayana & Mahabharat. These are touted as the greatest sagas of the male domination in the country. I wonder why?

    Reading Ramayana, I struggled to find out who was really the dominating character... Who was the real perpetrator of violence? Was it any of the male characters? Hell no! Atleast no violence towards any of the female characters. Neaither Ram, Lakshman, nor even Ravan was ever violent towards any woman in the story.

    On the contrary, the saga almost begins with the violent women like Keykayi and Manthra... Towards the middle there's also a mention of the sex-maniac Srupanikha. Speaking of Sita, even Ravan was morbidly afraid of even going near her, as she threatened to kill him! Who do you think was violent here?

    The great king Dashrath was dominated by his wife, Keykayi, and not the other way around. He was so dominated that he even sacrificed his fatherly love towards his own sons just to please her. And we say it as 'male domination'!

    Now lets jump over to the other great saga, The Mahabharata... The very beginning of the story depicts how dominated the men were! The so called Brave and Macho King Shantanu was dominated by his wife Ganga. Even before the marriage, she asked him to promise that he'd never question her or her actions after marriage, otherwise she'll leave him on the 1st question he asks. And this so called macho king of India remained meek for 8 years, while his wife went on killing their 7 sons by drowning them into the river right in front of the father's eyes, and he didn't ask one word to her. Why? Just to save his marriage! Do you call it male domination?

    Coming to more recent past, hope you've not forgot the 400 year old British rule over the world, not so long ago. It was so proudly said, that "the sun never goes down in the British Colony". And who was ruling the British world? Was it a Male? Nope, it was a Queen! Do you see any 'male domination' there? I don't!

    Alright, enough of history lecture, now lets come back to,

    The Gloomy Present
    Have a look at our own poor country. Who's ruling the nation? Did you say the Prime minister? Well, think again... Everyone knows the real ruler is not the rubber stamp man! All that credit goes to the great Italian Lady leader up there. Even the other pillar of ruling, the President of India, being a woman herself, is also another rubber stamp in the hands of the same Italian Lady. So where do you see 'male domination' out here?

    Coming more closer home, Accept the Reality folks, almost every man is dominated by one or the other woman at the house. She could be your mother, GF or Wife. If you are a male, since 10 year old, you are termed as the free bodyguard of your mother, sister, and even their female friends. While growing up, you are always taught to keep the women around you happy by all means. Even if it means giving your life for them. And you say it's 'male dominated' society!

    Talking of giving life, FYI, as per the official crime statistics collected by the national body NCRB (National Crime Records Bureau), in the year 2007 alone, almost twice the number of married men (47%) have committed suicides than the number of married women(24.5%). Ever wondered why? Why should double the number of 'Dominating' men commit suicides compared to the number of 'dominated' women? What can be a simpler answer than the fact, that the dominating & dominated roles are reversed in reality.

    Once grown up, you are expected to provide for the entire family, which incidentally consists of a majority of females compared to males. So when you are rubbing your soles and slogging your a$$ just to keep your family in luxury, you are given the false pride of dominatig the world! What a joke! Wake up men, you are being dominated inside out!

    The Dreamy Future
    If this trend continues, which most likely will, here's what the (may be distant, may be near) future might look like...

    The dominated men around the world, would wake up to the reality. They'd ask for 'Equality' in 'Rights' to live a life. They'd ask for 'Equality' in the 'Duties' of the females. They'd not be free bodyguards of the women around them, who take them for granted. They'd not work more than what's required to keep themselves comfortable in life.

    Women proudly claim that they are 'Equal' to men, and that they can take care of themselves in all spheres of life. I support them. Let them surely take care of their lives as Equals! Why dominate the men to provide them security and life support?

    C'mon men, give your women their sense of 'Equality' and leave them alone! Let them work the Same way as you do to provide for themselves! Why slog yourself out just for them?

    Why live in a false dreamland of so called 'Male Dominated' Society, and why not make it a Human dominated world, where both Males and Females dominate themselves, and be 'Equals' in the right terms?
  36. Posted by: Masculist on 4/18/2011 8:47 PM
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    Married men are twice as vulnerable to suicide due to Domestic Violence compared to married women:-

    The suicide statistics for the year 2009 for India are out as published by the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) – a unit of the Ministry of Home Affairs.

    A glimpse of the figures is

    Unmarried boys – 17738.
    Unmarried girls – 10063.
    Husbands – 58192
    Wives – 31300
    Widower – 2848
    Widowed – 2674
    Divorcee (male) – 635
    Divorcee (female) – 613
    Separated (male) – 2058
    Separated (female) – 1030
    1. Total (male) – 8147 2. Total (female) – 45680

    Ratio: Male : Female Suicides 2009=178 males :100 females.

    Some more facts:

    One married man commits suicides every 9 Minutes and 20 seconds.
    Difference between suicides of men and women is substantial only when the wife is associated (literally/legally) with the man – refer suicide statistics of married men/women and separated men/women.
    Since the 63 years of Indian independence, not a single rupee has been allocated / spent for men’s welfare.
    Indian Govt. has no National Commission for Men to look into issues of men.
    Men pay close to 82% of all the taxes collected and pay more tax at the same salary levels compared to women.
    Indian Govt. has a welfare ministry for children, women and even animals but not for men.
    Indian men face the brunt of 15 anti-male gender obsessed unconstitutional laws which treat all men as criminals and “Guilty until Proven Innocent”. These laws are just a tool of extortion to be used against innocent men. More are in pipeline.
    Men are subjected to rampant domestic violence which kills on an average 14,791 Indian husbands annually. (Refer section on Domestic Violence below.)
    Men are forced to live a “sub-human” existence with social memes like “Male Dominated World” and “Women Empowerment” which quintessentially gags the communication channel for men and leads to infringement of their basic human and constitutional rights.
    Most risky, menial and dangerous jobs like firefighting, army, police, plumbing, climbing buildings, working in mines, working in hotel kitchens, working in railway pantries, distributing newspapers early morning, and so on and so forth are thrust onto men sans any recognition. Men are like salt in food, whose presence is mandatory yet inconspicuous.
    Men face 3 times more chance of getting killed in a road accident and 5 times more chance of getting kidnapped and yet there is no exclusive law to protect men – rather there are anti-male laws to persecute men.
    More male children die compared to female children during child birth.
    Men face unwarranted “media-trials” and “media-convictions” becoming a prey to the trend of “alarmism” because on one hand where the media happily brandishes men as criminals and aggressors, most irresponsibly it does not make amends when the same men are found innocent later on.
    The above facts corroborate the figures by NCRB as when men are being subjected to such discriminatory attitudes, little options are left before men but to commit suicide as we see that in all categories, suicides by men are higher than women if not equal.

    Domestic Violence – The numero uno killer for men:

    As per the suicide analysis done by NCRB, family problems, family disputes and domestic violence is the single largest factor responsible for suicides. Almost 30% of the suicides are happening due to family problems and related stress. As the total number of suicides by married men is 58,192; the number of married men committing suicides directly due to Domestic Violence would be 17,458. As compared to 1996 there has been 44% increase in suicides overall. Hence, at least 12,124 married men would have committed suicide in 1996 directly due to Domestic Violence.

    Taking a mean of the two extremes, on an average 14,791 men have committed suicide directly due to Domestic Violence year by year. Taking the total of 13 years from 1996-2009, we get, that in 13 years, 192,283 i.e. One Lac Ninety Two Thousand Two Hundred and Eighty Three married men have committed suicide directly due to Domestic Violence.

    Equivalent figures for women would work out to 103,248 i.e. One Lac Three Thousand Two Hundred and Forty Eight.

    Hence, we see that not only in overall suicides, but also in suicides due to Domestic Violence, men are twice as vulnerable to lose their lives compared to women and instead of protection, men are offered persecution!

    These figures should suffice to suppress any and all voices of dissent against men’s rights movement and men’s issues and for the Govt. of India to form a National Commission for Men and a Men’s Welfare Ministry.

    Is anyone listening?
  37. Posted by: Masculist on 4/18/2011 9:09 PM
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    They say it is a man’s world. I disagree. Since childhood men are discriminated against and made to believe that in order to remain happy in this world they have to please the women around, be it their mother, sister, cousins, wives or girlfriends. All histrionics are women – centric and driven by their moods.

    If a woman breaks away from a relationship, she is considered liberated and her action is deemed heroic and hailed by one and all, but the same thing done by a man draws only flak. A man does not even get the consideration that he too might be suffering in the relationship and needed a breakthrough, a benefit of doubt women enjoy ubiquitously and as a de – facto privilege. As far as the woman wants to carry on in the relationship, the man is expected to compromise and make the relation work and when she does not want to do the same, allegations are transferred to the man who has to take the blame of the failed relationship and compensate for the same as well and they call it a man’s world.



    If a man breaks away from the relationship, the woman is considered a deserted victim and if a woman deserts a man then also the woman is considered as the liberated victim. If a man continues in an abusive relationship he is called an emotional fool and if a woman continues her commitment is lauded and they call it a man’s world.

    If a woman looks for a rich and wealthy man she is considered ambitious and concerned for her future. If a man looks out for a wealthy wife, he is termed greedy. If a man shows slyness towards getting married, he is non – social, non – committal and loose – focused in life, but if a woman does the same she is thinking about her life and career. If a woman passes some lewd comments to a man, she is sportive and courageous, but the same thing done by a man becomes a crime attracting strict penalties and they call it a man’s world.

    In the olden days girls were shy to speak of their own feelings and it was considered bad to approach women for relationships and we had laws formulated to protect women and it was called the era of women protection. Slowly women became more outspoken and expressed their feelings more vocally and when they felt like ending relationships and started misusing the same laws meant to protect them, we have now what we are witnessing as Women Empowerment. So where do we see a man’s voice or a say in this?

    Earlier when men used to initiate divorces, DIVORCE was considered a bad word and a social taboo. Women were provided protection in the form of alimony and maintenance. Seeing it as an easy route to tax – free money, women started initiating divorces leveling false allegations and DIVORCE is no longer considered a bad word!!! If a man is not willing to divorce his wife, he is said to have caused mental torture to the wife by denying divorce, but if a woman refuses to divorce her husband, she is said to have made attempts to save the marriage and they call it a man’s world.

    If a married woman dies, the whole family of the husband is put behind bars and denied bail. They are marked off as criminals and booked under IPC Section 304 B (Dowry Death). If a married man dies, the woman is hailed as the victim and gets everyone’s sympathy. Why is the consideration not given to the possibility of the involvement of his wife in his death, when her death is viewed with an assumption of dowry related torture? Even if there are evidences in favor of the man accused, the same are ignored and he is tried for baseless trial and they call it a man’s world.

    Men do the most risky jobs in the society, pay 82 % of taxes in India and yet neither do they have a National Commission of Men to redress their grievances nor a Welfare Ministry to look after them. Even we have animal welfare ministries but not one for men. Men are discriminated against in paying taxes as well, for women have additional tax concessions. Every year 1200 crore Rupees and this year 7200 crore Rupees have been allocated to the women ministry. Of this 82 % is paid by men and the same money is used to frame heavily lopsided laws to frame the same men and defame them and abuse them financially and they call it a man’s world.

    Even the media is highly sensitized to women’s issues. A complaint of dowry harassment is lodged and the next day, leading dailies carry the news and print it as if the reporters were staying with the couple and put allegations on the man and his family. But for a man’s case either no coverage is given, or some justification is provided to compensate the wrong – doing happening to the man and they call it a man’s world.

    Men are mass brainwashed with this euphoria that it a man’s world and so men need to protect women and in this process all that a man does is viewed with suspicion. It is high time we give a second thought to the thought, “Is it really a man’s world?” And “How difficult is it to be a man?”
  38. Posted by: Bitchwithabone on 4/28/2011 2:39 AM
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    Your so fucKing retarded you chauvinistic fucktwat. Do you really think men are the ones losing out? Of course women have the right to do whatever they want with our children. It's our bodies that get twisted, our emotions and hormones that wreak havoc on our psyche. What do you do? Deposit a seed. Thanks we dont need you for that shit, in fact if it werent for the fact that some of us actually enjoy male companionship, we could exterminate the entire male gender and live happily in a non violent society. You realize that most women are already on birth control right? If you choose not to do anything to further prevent reproduction, which in your case I strongly recommend, then it's your own damn fault and should reap the repercussions as well. Oh and let me point out that a womans control over her own decisions is a relatively new idea. Fifty years ago a woman didn't have right to shit. As far as needing you to work? That's just to get your lazy asses out of the house to help provide cos let me tell you not only do I take care of the kids I work full time, and not pansy ass either. And women in the uk have to work less because they are working two full time jobs moron, taking care of a household and children counts as a job. So googol on your extra five years because raising a family is and extra eighteen at least with no pay or benefits. I break a sweat I lift all my own heavy objects and accomplish more in an hour than all five of the " men " I work with accomplish in eight. So take your men are oppressed bullshit and shove it up your your ass. It shouldn't have to be a mans world or a womans world, or a christian, Jewish Muslim world. It should be a PEOPLE world. Own up to your mistakes and the mistakes man have made since the dawning of time, women own up to ours with far more grace and dignity than pushing their problems on others. Whatever you get you bring on yourself.
  39. Posted by: Mark on 5/12/2011 1:27 PM
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    @Bitchwithabone. You sound like a lovely person. Read what you wrote to yourself please. I can't really respond to anything you said there because it's all so out of left field and based on such complete misapprehension, strawman arguments and hysteria that it really would be in it for me to get down in the pen and wrestle with the pig.. as it were.

    It's interesting you write about how eliminating men would leave you with your non-violent utopia (mass extermination to create peace - an interesting concept). As if a society with bigoted, hateful and angry people like you in would be such a place.. Amazing.
  40. Posted by: Kim on 5/13/2011 12:39 AM
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    Interesting blog post Mark. We both agree that inequity between genders does exist. Personally I am a bit of a critical theorist, believing that people are capable and responsible for taking actions to correct problems of oppression.
    In your post I am not able to determine your active participation for equality. I am assuming if you take time to post a blog such as this one, it is an issue that is important to you. Opening discussion about the issue promotes activity but if it ends there, nothing changes. So I ask you, what are you doing or what could you do to change the problems of inequity (for men at least, if this is where you see the greater problem)?
  41. Posted by: Mark on 5/13/2011 4:10 AM
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    So I ask you, what are you doing or what could you do to change the problems of inequity


    Apart from spreading ideas, nothing. I have decided to live my life.
  42. Posted by: Kim on 5/13/2011 9:20 PM
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    Ah well, life is short, can't blame you for thinking of youself first and foremost. Guess I'm an idealist in a society where narcissistic personality, myself included, is more powerful than moral responsibility.

    Although I still encourage you to take action, I applaud you for not being neutral. As it has been said, to be neutral is to side with the oppressor.
  43. Posted by: Rohan on 7/22/2011 7:29 PM
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    @bitchwithabone, your name speaks all that you are nothing more than a man-hating bitch. You have spilt venom on this forum with all your menstrual shit. Get a life! It takes much more than what a woman undergoes to create and sustain the seed that you spoke about. If women want to extricate men, I can say men want to do that to women. Where does that get? You feminazis are worse than the Taliban and Osama bin laden. You are just femterrorists.
  44. Posted by: Rohan on 7/22/2011 7:45 PM
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    @Bitchwithabone, women own up to their mistakes and that too with grace? Thats nothing more than a white lie. You feminazis want to live in a world where the men are slaves of women and for that, you have created a culture where the negatives of men are highlighted and bloated up while the positives of men are not mentioned and taken for granted. Same time, the negatives of women are blamed on the men and the positives are attributed to the estrogen hormone. I am sorry that you probably didn't have a good father. Does not mean others don't. STOP cribbing and get a life!!!!!
  45. Posted by: Masculist on 7/24/2011 6:53 PM
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    The Oppression of Men

    by Rod Van Mechelen
    http://www.backlash.com/book/oppress1.html
  46. Posted by: Masculist on 7/24/2011 6:55 PM
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    Love and Respect Boys

    Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:02
    I think everyone might have read abt Mom’s, Wife’s and Girl’s…
    Its time to learn something abt Men..

    A boy/man is one of the most beautiful creations of God.

    He starts compromising at very tender age. He sacrifices his chocolates for his sister.

    Later he sacrifices his love for just a smile on his parents face. He sacrifices his love for his wife and children by working late nights.

    He builds their future by taking loans from banks and then repaying them for the life time. Thus he sacrifices full youth for his wife and children without any complain.

    Believe me he struggles a lot but still has to hear the music (scolding) of Mother, wife and his boss. Yet every mother, wife and boss tries to have control over him.

    In battlefields and borders 99.9% are Men/Boys who join Military from very tender age.

    Finally his life ends up by compromising for others happiness. He is that creature of God who no one can compete with.

    Respect every boy/man in your life. You will never know what he has sacrificed for you.

    Just extend your hand when he needs it

    Boys also Have Emotions and respect it. Send it to every boy whom you know and girls to make them realize
  47. Posted by: Masculist on 7/24/2011 6:57 PM
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    The Domestic Violence that men face
    Sounds strange? Domestic Violence and faced by men? Isn't that an area held exclusively by women, at least that's the message conveyed by the media via various reports. However, truth is stranger than fiction. Perception is different than reality.

    As it is said that, "Too much audio-visual input jeopardizes cognitive ability", the same has happened with Domestic Violence. Hyper-Engenderization of a social issue like "Domestic Violence" has led the society to believe that "All women are victims and all men are perpetrators of domestic violence". And the imbibing has been so deeply ingrained that even battered and abused men think they are a minority only and will not get support and thus do not express themselves and either continue to live in abuse silently or commit suicides.

    It's not only about male victims of domestic violence, even the society believes that men who face domestic violence are somehow ‘responsible' for it and should be made to pay the price. This is the reason society does not accept / support weak men or men who are victims of Domestic Violence. International studies world over, including those done by Murray Strauss have proved beyond reasonable doubt that both men and women are equally likely to face domestic violence from their partners and immediate family. And in such a scenario, Domestic Violence is NOT a GENDER ISSUE, as vouched by feminists, advocated by family lawyers, presented by the media and envisaged by the Governments, it is rather a SOCIAL ISSUE and needs to be addressed as a social problem only wherein there are no ubiquitous and stereotypic assumptions, no double standards and punishment is crime-based and not gender-based.

    But unfortunately, this is NOT the PRESENT SITUATION, internationally and is poised against men in all respects. Other than being denied protection men are also being victimized by false allegations and such false allegations are then subjected to overblown media trials as well, which paints the entire clan of men with the same brush, a price that is paid by abused and weak men, a vicious cycle at play.

    This vicious cycle has cornered men to such an extent that are either they are becoming "Baazigars" or committing suicides in large numbers, almost double the number of women. And this trend is leading to the formation of the foundation of a Fatherless Society wherein increased juvenile crime, teenage pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases will be the call of the day. Already the Western World is going through it, and the Indian society is no less prone to such an attack. World over the family system is the systematic victim of an untold and hidden corporate policy as more and more broken, disjoint and shattered families means more spending and more consumerism and more business for the white collared corporates who in turn are funding the feminists and influencing the media for a planned misandry which results in family breaking. It's another vicious circle at play.

    This article does not intend to address the problem raised. Rather this is just a warning bell. Choice is left to the society, as to whether it wants to participate in the planned elimination of men, or take to task the self-proclaimed champions of women's rights who are only spreading male hatred in the society and breaking the family by running their shop of selling women's rights.
  48. Posted by: Masculist on 7/27/2011 8:39 AM
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    Cause of Gender Inequality

    Gender inequality means different levels of protection of human rights according to gender. No need to say which of the two gender’s rights are usually violated more or protected less rigorously. Gender inequality occurs in many areas of life:

    in political representation or participation ( Women has Reservations )
    in income or labor market participation (Men work is hazardous and Dangerous Fields)
    in labor sorting (when women are relegated to certain confortable professions)
    in family life (when women do not have the same marriage or divorce rights, inheritance rights etc. Men has less options for marriage and Divorce)
    in criminal justice (when the testimony of a women is considered as Gospel Truth) etc.
    Too many areas to mention, unfortunately.

    When you read about the causes of gender inequality, the usual suspects are religion, patriarchy and all sorts of anti-women prejudice. but legally speaking men have less rights than women in society, Most of the TAX payers are men but they do not enjoy most of conforts of Society. A different and interesting perspective, focused on inequality in the labor market, is the following:

    Ester Boserup … argues that gender role differences have their origins in different forms of agriculture practiced traditionally. In particular, she identifies important differences between shifting and plough cultivation. The former, which uses hand-held tools like the hoe and the digging stick, is labor intensive and women actively participate in farm work. The latter, in contrast, is more capital intensive, using the plough to prepare the soil. Unlike the hoe or digging stick, the plough requires significant upper body strength, grip strength, and burst of power, which are needed to either pull the plough or control the animal that pulls it.

    Because of these requirements, when plough agriculture is practiced, men have an advantage in farming relative to women. Also reinforcing this gender-bias in ability is the fact that when the plough is used, there is less need for weeding, a task typically undertaken by women and children. In addition, child-care, a task almost universally performed by women, is most compatible with activities that can be stopped and resumed easily and do not put children in danger. These are characteristics that are satisfied for hoe agriculture, but not for plough agriculture since large animals are typically used to pull the plough. so only hard work is assigned to men.

    his division of labor then generated norms about the appropriate role of women in society. Societies characterized by plough agriculture, and a resulting gender-based division of labor, developed the belief that the natural place for women is within the home. These cultural beliefs tend to persist even if the economy moves out of agriculture, affecting the participation of women in activities performed outside of the home, such as market employment, entrepreneurship, and participation in politics.

    In Married life or in Society if man is not working then, Whole society tag him as lazy but If a women is unemployed, she get more sympathy from everyone and many come forward to help her. Even in Divorce, women has not contributed anything still she get half of mans Property and maintenance by default.

    And there does seem to be a strong statistical correlation between historical plough use and prejudice against Men.
  49. Posted by: Masculist on 8/3/2011 3:50 AM
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    Bitchwithabone, this is for you and other retards like you. http://youth-

    Reclaiming natural masculinity

    masculinity.blogspot.com/2006/05/table-of-contents.html
  50. Posted by: Masculist on 8/3/2011 3:52 AM
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    http://youth-masculinity.blogspot.com/2006/05/table-of-contents.html
  51. Posted by: Masculist on 8/6/2011 9:26 AM
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    The Myth of male power
    http://www.warrenfarrell.org/TheBook/index.html
  52. Posted by: Matt on 8/18/2011 5:54 AM
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    I am really starting to doubt if women are/were oppressed at all...

    First, how to know if a class of people is more maltreated? We can look at these statistics:

    1. Depression rate
    2. Suicide rate
    3. Crime rate (crime is usually the result of helplessness)
    4. Crime victimization rate
    5. Substance abuse rate
    6. Premature death rate

    Apart from depression rate, NONE of these statistics support the notion that women are oppressed, and even depression has recently been doubted, since some researchers suggested that women report but NOT exprience more depression. These statistics are true EVEN in Islamic countries and India, in which feminists CLAIM that women are being oppressed.

    If it is true that women in these regions are beaten on a daily basis, how the hell can they have such low suicide rate and premature death rate?

    The only things women can possibly complain about is their lack of education and political power in those old days, but we all know that women, statistically speaking, are found to be much more fond of building families and less drawn to politics. And those old society wouldn't have so much resources to afford giving women educations while the majority of them go back to home afterwards. Thus, I am pretty sure that their lack of education and political power have something to do with themselves.
  53. Posted by: John on 8/27/2011 4:51 AM
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    Wow. I can't believe there are really people like you on this planet. I fear for the future of women with idiots like you around. I almost vomited as I read this. Your mother, your grandmother, aunt, sister, daughter. What sort of autism have you been stricken with? Is this some sort of grudge against a girl that dumped you? Jeez. Did your mom walk out on you? Go see a shrink.
  54. Posted by: Son of Nova on 8/28/2011 3:45 AM
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    @ John

    Who are you talking to and what about? Is parenthood some form of freedom from criticism that excludes you from any wrong?

    Some people do have extreme views, some, unjust. Completely disregarding all critical thinking is just because it doesn't sit well with you is to be ignorant.

    Nobody is attacking 'Your mother, your grandmother, aunt, sister, daughter.'

    Be aware that there are individuals outside of your circle of emotional bonds that are worthy of criticism. To think otherwise should make you sick.
    If you believe the author of this article to discriminate solely against women as an entirety, then please provide some consistent evidence.
  55. Posted by: ArgusEyes on 8/31/2011 2:37 PM
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    @John

    When you let your emotions write presumptuous crap. You look like an idiot.

    "I fear for the future of women with idiots like you around."

    I am a civil libertarian who wants race & sex based requirements stricken from the law, which includes special privileges for women. Scary. You were probably thinking of "barefoot & pregnant" or some such leftist nonsesense.

    "I almost vomited as I read this."

    First off, liar. If that IS true then harden up puss. There's worse than this on the interwebs.

    "Your mother, your grandmother, aunt, sister, daughter. What sort of autism have you been stricken with?"

    I suspect Asperger's syndrome, but I've never tested to see.

    "Is this some sort of grudge against a girl that dumped you?"

    Nope, never been dumped.

    "Jeez. Did your mom walk out on you?"

    Nope, my parents are still happily married.

    "Go see a shrink."

    Why bother when I have an armchair psychologist like you to diagnose all my problems?
  56. Posted by: fazila on 9/9/2011 8:23 PM
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    I think some points are valis but you went too far- bahaving like the women you're complaining about. Nobody should be oppressed, everyone is equal and everyone should have rights. This is fact. Yes, men are facing some oppression- for genereations they have bullied their way to being leaders by boasting about their natural superiority, the negative result is now people expect too much from men. Men are not superior so this is causing a silly result. Men and women are mostly the same, requiring complete equality- divorce should not be female biased, nor should child custody etc. However, the choice to have a child will remain a woman's right until science can invent a way to mature the foetus in an external device, until then this one's untouchable since you can't say it's either fair or acceptable to force a woman who's pregnant with your child to have the baby, ruining her body, her hormone levels, etc when she doesn't even want the kid, and you can't force a woman to have an abortion when she wants the kid- neither of these options makes any sense. Yes, it sucks but it sucks that men ARE naturally stronger in majority of cases and I have to be careful when I'm out so I'm not raped/attacked- this is just life, not everything can be exactly equal since men and women aren't exactly the same, but they are in most ways so I totally agree that any gender bias is wrong- particularly when it's in the system

    Women WERE oppressed in the UK but the work of many women fighting for rights liberated al lot (majority?) of this,, now in this country at least I would argue that female oppression mainly only remains in people's minds- there is no systematic oppression. In fact, the women fighting I think did too good a job and have caused the law to change to be unfairly bias in their favour in many cases! The obstacles for women that do remain will do so until we tackle male oppression- how can a woman not be forced to be a stay at home mum when a man is forced (through ridicule, pressure etc) to 'be a man' and not raise the kid while the wife works!?

    Only when men AND women are both equal in a fair and reasonable manner will we take the next step forward

    By the way, I'm a woman
  57. Posted by: Rohan on 9/17/2011 6:46 PM
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    John, the world is much more dangerous in the presence of intolerant and abusive people like you than the guy above you. The guy above you has expressed his valuable opinion and has given enough reason for the same. To call somebody abusive words and asking them to see a shrink is the height of intolerance. The world is very unsafe with people like you. I agree fully with him.
  58. Posted by: Quinn on 9/27/2011 11:39 PM
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    AHHH, EXACTLY, my point made here! thank god theres others that think like me i mean FUCK, only a man can abuse? BULLLFUCKKINGGSHITTT! god, i hate the feminists. FEMNAZIS*
  59. Posted by: Rohan on 10/10/2011 9:12 AM
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    @Quinn, The feminists are really getting desperate; so are their male followers whose intentions and credibility is something that anybody with normal intelligence can doubt. The abusive nature is a fallout of this. The mind gets desperate when cornered. The only way out of that situation is to use force and that is what feminists and their supporters like John are doing when cornered and exposed.
  60. Posted by: Kelly on 10/13/2011 9:00 PM
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    There are some good men that understand what feminism is, and many have also misinterpreted it to fit their own definitions in which they can then comfortably trash. They say feminism is man hating, it isn't, often all that is asked is that we open our eyes to see what has been a problem and still is a problem with how women are treated just about everywhere. Another thing that is asked, quite a simple task is for true equality, where everyone can have all the same opportunities without feel like there might be some kind of discrimination. A lot of these comments are angry and finger pointing, it's ridiculous, it doesn't provide a solution to the problem, just adds fuel to the fire. To be honest, I see guys just being down right rude and intentionally disrespectful throwing demeaning comments and jokes around. Its out of control, and they're only getting worse. We can stop it, just men refuse to agree to stop it.Instead they get more angry and violent towards women, not all, but so many. Men aren't the only go-getters, its just that women have been taught not to go after their dreams or do the daring things because people don't believe she can handle it. It cripples her ability to build confidence. And when a woman succeeds at go getting she's still looked down on like she's too many, radical, or weird. Women have been made so sexualized by so many men in control of media that it is impossible for many men to associate other aspects of life with women. Friendships become awkward and faithfulness becomes more and more rare. If only half the men on this planet could just die and all the good ones be spared, the world would be so much better.
  61. Posted by: Rohan on 10/14/2011 7:56 AM
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    Kelly, your comment itself is evidence to say that feminism is all about man-hating. Your last sentence, in particular, says it all! You want half the of the menfolk to die because, accorind to you, they are bad. While same time, you don't recognise the bad elements among the womenfolk.

    And for you feminists, anybody who exposes feminist fraud is a bad guy! This is highly ridiculous and laughable. People who oppose feminism and its trash are not idiots. We have seen the harsh reality and the open and outrageous comments of feminists to conclude what feminism is all about. Far from gender equality, feminism is a destructive force - an anti-social force that aims at creating gender disharmony by pitting men against women, instead of the traditional way of men and women. It aims at putting men and women in a conflicting role rather than a complimentary role by brainwashing society, especially, women about developing and going for their talents and career. It has successfully brainwashed women into believing that all of their problems are because of men. There is absolutely no misinterpretation of this. The current spate of anti-male propaganda all over and the anti-male laws stand testimony to this.

    You have referred to "opening of eyes to how women are treated all over". Have you ever asked how men are treated all over the world???? NO. You just want society to be sensitive to women and insensitive to men. This is sexism. Men have been discriminated historically. But one-sided notions and pampering culture all over the world has made the world blind, deaf and dumb towards men's problems. Society never asks how men feel. There has never been a male perspective. Just that some men are in powerful jobs does not make all men powerful nor do those men represent the male clan. This is the height of deception. That some powerful men represent the male clan and take care of it.

    AS said earlier, feminism NEVER SEEKS TRUE EQUALITY. It aims at misrepresenting and misinterpreting history to show men as oppressors of women. Rather, historically, men were forced to protect and provide women and society at the cost of their lives at a time when there were no machines, no technology, and very high threat from nature. I wish all this technology and comfort that has come about vanish so that feminism would also have no grounds to convince as people would see the reality all by themselves. These machines, technology and reduction of threat from nature and the wild have given rise to this deception of feminism. Feminism is anything but gender equality because it seeks equality of women in cosy jobs while leaving the dirty, dangerous, low-paid and hazardous jobs to the menfolk. The day machines stop, we would see the truth. Feminism is not about gender equality. It is about gender equality of convenience. Note the difference.

    The solution: Feminism needs to be kicked out!

    You have mentioned about some men being rude. But refuse to acknowledge the rudeness of women. So, feminists are not seeking gender equality. They are sexist.

    Feminism has advocated women working alongside men (read only in cosy jobs) after the industrial revolution. Remove the machines and we will see how many talk about women seeking so-called equality. Women were quite comfortable being inside the comfort of the house in earlier times when life was tough and wild animals could prey on just anybody. There were no machines to help out. Now, life has become too comfortable. So, you want so-called gender equality.

    More than the men, it is the women who are sexist. Your reply is evidence to that.

    So you want half the men like me who expose the fraud of feminism to die and the rest half, the male feminists (the goody goody ones) to live on so that you can treat them as your lapdogs. :)

  62. Posted by: Rohan on 10/14/2011 7:57 AM
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    Feminista Rantings

    Feminism in the guise of liberty for women has destroyed social and cultural fabric of Europe, United States, Russia and other developed countries. In Islamic and oriental societies, women performed a critical function of stabilizing the basic unit of society called family. Women are the crown of creation. Feminism stripped them of all the crowing glory that God bestowed upon them.
    The ultimate goal of feminism has been stated very clear - to attack the root of society, that is, the family and destroy it! Below are extracts of statements by well-known feminists.
    THE PLANNED DESTRUCTION OF THE FAMILY BY FEMINISTS
    “Destroy the family,” as Lenin said, “and you destroy society.” Thereby he merely repeated what Socrates had said before and what Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx put into words. Lenin set out to do just that, hoping that a new society — with the State as the ultimate father — could be constructed.
    “How will the family unit be destroyed? ... the demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.”
    — Female Liberation, by Roxanne Dunbar.
    “The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together. ... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. ... “Families have supported oppression by separating people into small, isolated units, unable to join together to fight for common interests. ...
    — Functions of the Family,
    Linda Gordon, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969.
    “Feminists have long criticized marriage as a place of oppression, danger, and drudgery for women.”
    — Is Marriage the Answer?
    by Barbara Findlen, Ms magazine, May-June, 1995
    “[The nuclear family is] a cornerstone of woman’s oppression: it enforces women’s dependence on men, it enforces heterosexuality and it imposes the prevailing masculine and feminine character structures on the next generation.”

    — Alison Jagger, Feminist Politics and Human Nature
    “The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.”
    — Frederick Engels, The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State
    (New York, International Publishers,1942) p.58]
    Read these anti-male statements by notorious feminists
    Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.
    - Andrea Dworkin
    Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience.

    - Catherine Comins, Vassar College
    To be male is to be a kind of idiot savant
    - Germaine Greer
    All men are rapists and that’s all they are
    - Marilyn French
    still,feminists say that”they are not doing anything harmful”.
    it’s time to not to believe in feminism anymore.
    “I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” – Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan
    “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” – Marilyn French, Author, “The Women’s Room”
    “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor
    “I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” – Robin Morgan
    “And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism–the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group–skin color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism–the oppressed have no alternative–for they have no power–but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men–but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women–kill your fathers, not your mothers.” – Robin Morgan
    “My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” – Marilyn French, in “The Women’s Room”
    *MALE: ... represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants... the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.’ *MAN: ... an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched ... a contradictory baby-man ... *TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... ‘Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from “testosterone poisoning.”
    “Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don’t like it, bad luck — and if you get in my way I’ll run you down.” Signed: Liberated Woman, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9 February 1996
    “No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the mainstream of the modern feminist movement —
    Our demand is not for equality. Who wants to be like men! We are trying as women to define ourselves. We not only reject the definitions that men have given us, but reject becoming like men. –From WOMEN OF THE WORLD UNITE — WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR MEN! [In] Notes from the First Year. New York: The New York Radical Women, 1968.

    Renuka Chowdhary - a radical Indian feminist
    “It is men’s turn to suffer” - Renuka Chowdhary on National television speaking about the Domestic Violence Act.
    “It is not such a bad idea, except that I have such pity for men.” - Renuka Chowdhary when Karan Thapar (on a CNN-IBN interview) asked her if she thought that men should first suffer before she considers amendments to check misuse of the law.
    http://www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3-6.html
    “The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things.” – Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)
    “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” – Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

    Boys are immature, guys are jerks, men are rare.”
    “No woman ever falls in love with a man unless she has a better opinion of him than he deserves.”
    “A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.” -Gloria Steinem
    “The perfect man is like the Lochness Monster... they say he exists but no one’s ever seen him!”
    “I think, therefore I am single.”
    “Mr. Right’s coming.. but he’s in Africa and he’s walking!” -Oprah
  63. Posted by: Rohan on 10/18/2011 9:00 AM
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    Why Should Men Refuse to Marry

    Marriage was treated as a sacred institution in India. The strength of Indian marriages was praised all over world. Many of the Indian expatriates, who are settled in foreign land for generations prefers to get married in India. However, due to recent shortsighted changes in marital laws in India has made marrying into India a dangerous affairs and it is adequate reason for Indian males to decide not to marry.
    Marriage was always treated a social institution in the past. Now, the state with all its might is interfering in the institution of marriage. Unfortunately the state interference aims at women vote bank and not preserving the institution. Such vote bank legislations in India has made a marriage dangerous institution in India, to be shunned.
    There are three reasons; firstly gender biased laws in India. Indian law is highly gender biased in favour of women and gives all civil rights to women in marriage. Secondly, it gives unfettered right to women in terms of maintenance and property and thirdly it gives power to abuse laws to women to force the man into submission of her extortionary and greedy attitude. In this whole spectrum of law, there is no right in the hand of men and in such situations he becomes a laughing matter in the society.
    These are some of the reasons why should men refuse to marry:
    1. Becuase man is being punished for marrying by Section 498A.
    2. Because married man is treated like a criminal based on false allegation by unscrupluous women.
    3. Beacuse law give no right to men in marriage.
    4. Because men are treated as beast of burden in marriage- to maintain wife, even adultrous wife, deserting wife- without any obligation on part of wife.
    5. Because the children will be in custody of wife but men will maintain them (beast of burden)
    6. Because law is there to sent you to jail if you say anything to your wife. Your parents will be present their with you.
    7. Because you will be ruined financially if you file for divorce to get out of bad relationship.
    8. Because you will be ruined financially if your wife files for divorce to marry her lover. 9. Because chances that you will be sent to jail for marrying is increasing day by day, with newer acts coming day after day.
    10.Because you can loose your livelihood, home and reputation just by a call from your wife.
    Marriage has become a slavery for Men- a slavery of wife- A legal slavery. Marriage is a dangerous institution for men. It is not generalisations- it is a reality. A sad reality which one understand only when he or his relative faces the music of marriage.
    Laws are there to examine suicide by woman- Section 304B of IPC, Section 113A of Indian Evidence Act. Further, the laws will punish you, without any fault from your part, because of presumption cause. However, if men suicide due to torture of women, there is no redressal. Rate of suicide in men is more than twice in men than women. Many of the married man commit suicide due to harassment by their wives- through comments like 1.You dont earn much.
    2.You cant keep your parents with you.
    3.I will meet my friend (euphemistic name of lover).
    4.Force your parents to transfer this matrimonial home in my name.
    5.Man’s mother should work like a servant in the house. etc.etc.
    And there is no law to check such abatement of suicide by men. If the husband speaks, he is sent to jail on the false charge of dowry. He looses is livelihood, reputation. His vioce is not heard or heeded in court. Police get a case to extort money. Sadist woman constable get a victim to torture. If man has not suicided early on wife abatement, he will suicide now, after his tryst with law.
    Men are weak. Men cannot fight for their honour. Men cannot force the judiciary to change its prejudice and also hear the grievance of men. Men cannot force legislature to think beyond votes and make just laws. Men cannot force police to be impartial investigator.
    At least men can refuse to marry.
  64. Posted by: Matt on 10/31/2011 2:25 AM
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    Rohan:

    Speaking of "how men are treated in some parts of the world", I think you would find this article informative.

    http://ncfm.org/2011/10/news/conscription/media-focus-on-rapes-and-other-female-miseries-while-ignoring-male-executions-worked-to-death-laborers-tortured-prisoners-and-nine-year-old-boy-soldiers-trained-to-kill-and-be-killed/
  65. Posted by: Matt on 11/7/2011 7:27 AM
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    @John, Kelly or whatever idiots who still believe in feminism:

    I hate to use harsh words, but the empty-headedness in your comments made me think that it is silly to be gentle to people like you. Feminists are seeking equality, rights? Let's see the following:

    1. Rights
    The only thing women can possibly complain about is their relative lack of education in the past. Now the problem is, see some history you will notice that women in higher class have good access to education, women lacking education occur almost only in impoverished places. Why? Because receiving education comes with the responsiblities to earn money for their families, so poor families won't have resources to give women education since the VAST MAJORITY of them simply want to stay at home (this preference is VERY consistently observed across cultures and persists despite all those feminist craze so don't tell me it is purely due to socialization). Now women DEMAND the rights but NO responsiblities, so much for equality, huh?
    Yeah, men, on average, earn more money than women, so feminists are complaining about this. But have you ever heard of unearned income? It means money that are not earned by the subject but he or she can spend it. Women has WAY more unearned income than men. Why didn't feminists mentioned anything about it?
    What about war? Men are sent to war simply based on their gender, and many of them return to their home, amputated or psychologically traumatized (or both). This is a SERIOUS disregard for human rights. Not receiving education is nothing compared to this. If you want to tell me that it is men's fault of starting the war, I recommend this article:

    http://smellslikescience.com/the-psychology-of-killing-and-the-origins-of-war/

    Men go to war not simply because they feel like it. Many of these men come from poor families and thus need to become soldiers to support their WIVES, or were brainwashed to think that this is their responsbilities or to think that the enemies are evils who need to be eliminated (speaking of this, who spent the most time with the children and therefore, indocrinated them?). Regarding how men are being treated in some parts of the world, you may also read the link I posted above. So much for human rights, huh?

    2. Social construct
    Feminists shout that gender is purely a social construct, so it is outrageous that the society socialize women to be less able to achieve in higher level. Really?
    If gender is purely due to socialization, that I think it is also outrageous that the society socialize men to be more suicidal, to be more likely to be assaulted or murdered, to be more likely to abuse drugs and alchohol, or to be more likely to die prematurely. Wait, why didn't feminists mentioned anything about these? Equality, huh?

    Now you understand why I say that feminists are the most hypocritical people on earth.

    3. The "Fairer" sex
    Feminists seem to promote the view that women are morally superior to men. True, men commit more crimes and are more physcially aggressive. But this DOESN'T mean that women are nicer. Women are WAY more likely to use psychological aggression, such as false accusation or verbal abuse. It is just that in anger, men attack your body, and women attack your mind. Such psychological aggression can deal no less damage than physical one. When people are unhappy, they may abuse substances, or even kill themselves and their bodies become weakened.
    Plus, it is well-documented that men are consistently treated more harshly by criminal justice system.
    So, women are not the nicer sex at all. It is just that the bad things they do are more sublet (thus harder to detect), and they are, statistically, hundred times better at getting away with their poor behaviors. This, of course, is a serious disadvantage for men. Why didn't I see feminists saying anything about it? Equality, huh?

    So, john, kelly, or whatever believers of feminism, I SINCERELY hope that you can explain to me what's going on with all those things I have mentioned. All these evidence seem to suggest to me that feminists are nothing but a horde of liars, hypocrites and thieves.


  66. Posted by: Brendan on 11/8/2011 5:06 AM
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    "...in fact if it werent for the fact that some of us actually enjoy male companionship, we could exterminate the entire male gender and live happily in a non violent society."

    Yes, Bitchwithabone posted this last April, but it nevertheless amazes me that she doesn't see the irony in what she wrote. Genocide is a violent act, and those who perpetrate it are violent people. She put the lie to her own argument right there.

    What a stupid twat.
  67. Posted by: Matt on 11/8/2011 5:30 AM
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    @Brendan:
    Speaking of Bitchwithabone, my reply to her is that her logic would suggest that we should exterminate women to create a society with less deception, irratoinality, hypocripsy and selfishness then.
  68. Posted by: Matt on 11/8/2011 6:21 AM
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    Besides, after seeing people like John and Kelly and Bitchwithabone, I am beginning to understand why, throughout history, men didn't listen to women's opinion when it comes to politics and serious issues. The "female perspective" gives us nothing but errors and idiocy.
  69. Posted by: Amanda Kelly on 12/14/2011 5:55 AM
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    :( you clearly are not seeing the ways that you are oppressed yourself. If you could, you would also see the chauvinism in all that you've written. I think you may just be feeling more validated by the men who agree with you. Women are no longer oppressed by the law, or by governement. However, it is within the mentality of society that women remain oppressed. Women are undoubtedly sexually exploited, oppressed in emotional and sexual expression, in wages, and in the "equality of outcome" (as stated in your your blog). You don't understand male oppression, apparently. If you did, you wouldn't consider yourself so anti-feminist. Feminism tries to debunk masculinity. Feminine and masculine traits are only a social construction, and therefore a figment of your imagination. For the same reasons you like science and software: your environment raised you to affiliate with them. This is the same to how some women are lead to believe they were meant to have children, be courtious and not brute, and be "women" for "men." Your environment also allowed for the development of thought that lead you to believe that feminists are bullshit. Your masculinity was taught to you, not granted at birth. Reckon with femininity. It was not granted to women, but it was taught to and bestowed on them. Are you really worried about oppression? It seems as though you are worried about the demise of your own self-worth and self-right. You have not debunked feminism, but exemplified the oppression of men, and of women.
  70. Posted by: Stephen Eyre on 12/19/2011 1:50 PM
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    For a man to today be anti-feminist (in a Western environment) says a lot about his relationship with women. Why place such extreme significance on something that is in my opinion quite insignificant? Such emphasis only indicates a level of insecurity on the offended parties' part, perhaps due to bad personal experiences, but such personal experience cannot dictate your entire outlook of either sex, because it is LIMITED. What I have seen in the above arguments are one-dimensional sets of evidences used to underpin the core of each posters argument, without acknowledging contradictory statistics: there are two sides to every story

    More than maleists or feminists I think we should be humanists: and I think we are coming to a time when sexism, racism, ageism etc don't need to be thought of as entities in themselves but rather facets of DISCRIMINATION. As humans, the great ideal should be to become more loving, accepting, understanding and discerning-- not divisive.

    Too many of the arguments I've seen here are generalised: there are a variety of different circumstances in which a variety of different people act, while collectively similar behaviours can be acknowledged in research. From my experience, not every woman is a "manipulative and venomous bitch", and not every male is a "chauvinistic pig". Note however, that the common connotations are that women are manipulative, and men are chauvinistic when it comes to these arguments. This is an outdated stereotype in my belief, (though it is undeniable some people fulfill aspects of their positive and negative gender-stereotypes, because it's biology) as there is an ongoing cultural shift in the archetypical character traits of both sexes and the way we act generally. There are equally good-natured people and bad-natured people in the world of both genders.
  71. Posted by: Stephen Eyre on 12/19/2011 2:02 PM
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    And in regards to women having rights to keep/abort "their own baby" why is that a sex, gender or feminism issue? It's an issue of ownership. The circumstances most likely would be the same if men gained the ability to give birth.
  72. Posted by: Kay on 12/24/2011 1:22 AM
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    I can't say I share the views of this blog post or any of it's commenters. But I will say one thing. For me, oppression was never about retirement age, it was about quality of life. Examples from my own life (I'm still a teen so keep that in mind) not being allowed on football teams, because I'm a girl, yet not being allowed to form my own football team. I was told the netball team was for girls, except that there were boys on the team. The fact that a bad driver, if she's a woman, is a bad driver because she's a woman - my dad has this view and is married with two daughters. If a female politician is in a newspaper, there is not only a politics editor, but a fashion editor's comments on what she is wearing. I have had to wear a skirt throughout my entire education, because apparently trousers don't look smart enough - though not on the boys? No, I'm not a so-called 'feminazi' - I, unlike a few commenters her, want real equality. Men and women to receive the same wages for the same jobs. Equal maternity and paternity leave. I'm not trying to say men don't face prejudice - I'm just saying the oppression they face is different. A man isn't a man if he likes musicals, or hates football. But having two X chromosomes doesn't make life easy. As for the medical care comment, has nobody thought of the fact that women are the ones who have the babies? A whole range of medical care is needed during pregnancy, and there are also many hormonal and contraceptive factors which are included in female healthcare. Smear tests are also vital in the prevention of serious female cancers, and in recent years, a lot of money has been spent inoculating girls against HPV (the virus which causes some strains of cervical cancer) this process is also cost effective, as it means the NHS will not have half as many cervical cancer patients to treat - which in turn means more money can be spent on male cancer treatments. People aren't thinking logically - many are one way or another, but the fact is, we all need to grow up, and realise that it's not just the 23rd pair of chromosomes that determine who we are, it's the other 22 pairs, and the environment we grow up in. By allowing our children to grow up in societies that are constantly at war with each other, we're never going to move forward.
  73. Posted by: Son of Nova on 1/3/2012 8:31 AM
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    I don't think I'm alone in believing that conflict is a good thing. It's the matter in which it is conducted that is sometimes cause for concern. Very often it is a conflict of ego, and the need to win to sustain the ego defeats the very object of the conflict itself.
  74. Posted by: Rohan on 5/7/2012 9:28 AM
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    Why should women own and have the right to abort? Its also the privilege of men to decide that. Just because a woman has the ability to reproduce does not give her the right to decide on birth. Because her birth is also caused by the man's sperm.
  75. Posted by: Andy on 5/14/2012 9:57 AM
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    I'm no fan of feminism but if you were for 'true' equality as you claim, you'd decry misogyny as much as you do misandry instead of playing who's-more-oppressed.

    The men's rights movement, for a large part, instead of addressing men's genuine concerns, has cherry-picked the worst aspects of feminist victim mentality and become a caricature of it (with some disturbingly violent undertones, I'm beginning to notice; although not in your case TBF)

    It seems to be a playground taunt to feminists of "I know you are, but what am I" rather than any genuine attempt at social justice
  76. Posted by: Alone on 6/12/2012 4:26 AM
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    @every idots who believes in men extinction

    If the world is only ruled by feminazis,
    and not by equality or justice that makes sense...
    If the world tries to go on even as it's stained by the genocide of a group that represents half of the planet's human demography and that built almost every important thing in society...
    Then I say it deserves to be destroyed!
    What would be the point of living in a world like that!?
    Myself, I believe...
    As long as people stop fighting each other and strive for peace...
    Then the world would survive through any catastophe!
    That what oppressed people fought for and that's what they will continue fighting for!
    ...or they just at least want to no longer be oppressed by such heinous acts.
  77. Posted by: Kiki88 on 7/19/2012 7:54 PM
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    From a neutral standpoint, I have to say that you wrote a very interesting piece since your point of view is argumentative towards feminist. Let me first mention that I am NOT a feminist and believe that equilibrium can be reached amongst the sexes. Now, I don't necessary believe that attacking an extremist with extremist views will aid in solving this almost eternal dispute for power and, most importantly, control. Men, due to their physicality, have been seen as the figures of power from centuries, and women, due to their physicality, have been seen as fragile, powerless creatures for centuries. But if we were to analyze both sexes by their abilities, then we would see that both are equally strong and both are equally capable of reaching the same objectives. Mentally, women and men have biological differences that many scholars believe make up the differences in the way each sex thinks. Personally, as a woman (unbiased woman) I think, yes, women and men think differently but that does not mean that we are not able to agree on common interests of success, happiness, love, and health. Nevertheless, because there has been a difference of ideas or plainly simple, styles of thinking, men have viewed women as chaotic and irrational, and women have seen men as simple minded and impulsive. But what we have failed to see is how men and women are a balance to one another. If we lived in a world primarily dominated by men (like we have, and let's not beat around the bush with this, but in every aspect of our modern lives we can still see traces of how men have controlled women for their advantage)it would be the destruction of mankind, and vice-versa. Religions, governments and other world orders have always tried to satisfy the masses by providing doctrines to follow (Many would argue that doctrines have serves as means of control from the elite to anyone underneath the elite ladder) and like most doctrines, they are not flawless. Therefore, if we aimed to create a form of world order that led to the equality of the sexes, in which both sexes had an equal contribution to society and one another, then peace could be reached. Now, for the feminist out there, it's not about beating and segregating men, it's about nurturing, loving and caring for the men that care, nurture and love us. Education is the first and most important step towards this future, and if we learn to respect one another regardless of the sex we would learn how strong we are in unity and how weak we are when separated.

    PS: Women, don't want to feel powerless, pay the tab and practice strong hand shakes.
    Men, don't want to feel powerless, learn to listen and practice humility.

    sorry for the long post, just very passionate about the subject.
  78. Posted by: Mark on 7/24/2012 1:53 PM
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    and if we learn to respect one another regardless of the sex we would learn how strong we are in unity and how weak we are when separated.


    Admirable, if naive. The last thing feminism wants is a path from the misery it creates in its adherents. Victimist movements are devoted to fueling an image of the world where our woes are caused by anything but ourselves. This leads to a whole movement devoted to simultaneously professing the powerful nature of the adherents whilst touting their inherent powerlessness at the same time, it creates a world of literature and excuses designed for the satisfaction of those who want to bolster their own sense of grievance. Such a movement does not create understanding, but rather it creates hatred and intolerance. What other natural path remains for a young woman who is taught that and endless cavalcade of daily woes awaits her, attributable to the male led society?
  79. Posted by: lindsey on 9/14/2012 1:23 PM
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    If men are oppressed women are not doing it, men are doing it to each other. It just happens women are weaker then men, this gives them less power. A lot of women are hit and abused by men, but far more men are hit and abused by men. When im out and about i notice how shit scared men are of other men, if a group of drunk men get on a train the men on there look more scared then the women. Men put each other down if they see anything feminine in each other, men are cold and distant with men they do not know otherwise they might get gaybashed. There is a saying that behind every man is a strong woman, this has rang true in the past. Now women want to use that strength for themselves, and why should they not? Women have a right to control there own lives, and to step out in there own direction. Now more women are doing this men think women are oppressing them, this is not the case.

    For years there has been an imbalance where women held the short straw, now its being restored to a more equal position. Men feel like they loose due to feminism because they had more then there share before. Men now have to start treating each other better, and by better i dont mean respect based on how well another man preforms the masculine role, instead respect as human beings no matter how one chooses to live. I often hear men saying stupid things like women can wear short or long hair and men carnt, or women can wear trousers but men carnt wear skirts. These things may be true in some ways, but its not feminisms fault that men carnt do these things in the same way women can. Its also not the fault of women. I dont think that most men would want to wear a skirt anyway, but if a man was to wear a skirt the first one to object would not be some woman in the street, it would be another man. The same goes for camp men, other men show the most anger to them too.

    As far as the olden days go, yes i can see what you mean it looked like everything was in the favour of women, laws were in place to protect them etc. But you forget the main point, women could only have there rights through a man in marrige. That is just not on, why should it be that way, its nonsense that women want things both ways. It may look like women want the same rights as men but then want a man to pay the bill, it may look like women want to be the boss at work but have men carry her bags etc. But it is not that way, at present society is in flux as a new way of living is overlapping the remains of the old. The thing that stops women sharing there wealth and power with men is male pride and ego and the pressure men put on each other to live up to masculinity. I will never forget the day when i held a door open for a man with a pushchair, he was not happy. I only did it because he had a pushchair, just like i would for a woman with a pushchair. He hated it because for that moment he felt like a woman. Its also hard to stop men from holding doors open for you if you are a woman, me i would rather have the door passed to me on equal terms ''man to man''. The same goes for women bread winners, if a man is kept other men make fun of him.

    Modern women are looking at more feminine men, thats interesting considering how most men hate on each other for being feminine. How i see it is that a lot of men are loosers in the modern world due to being angry the old system and old style of masculinity is going. Other men are building a new type of masculinity, one that is no longer based on dominating and oppressing women but instead being a man taking advantage of the new freedoms feminism has given men. Its not just women who have become free from tradition. The ones who choose not to live up to the old system are hated on by other men. Its not on to blame women for the fact that its no longer as easy to grab a woman by just being a macho male provider. In todays world a woman with anything going for her can make her own money, no a man needs to have some of those feminine aspects he so dispises in men.

  80. Posted by: Liberty on 10/9/2012 9:00 PM
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    Lindsey

    Anyone in the street may be scared of a group of people who appear to be threatening, regardless of whether they are men or women. There have been women scared of other women in clubs and on public transportation.

    And what difference does it make if men are oppressed by other men or women? What difference does it make if women are oppressed by other women or men? Oppression is wrong, period. You seem to be suggesting that when someone is oppressed by a person who belongs to the same group that they do, it's not real oppression.

    The Nazis, who were white, killed Jews, who were white as well. Idi Amin, who was black, killed blacks. According to your logic, does this mean that the Jews who were exterminated by the Nazis and the blacks who were exterminated by Amin were not really oppressed? That would be ridiculous. You should stand up for all oppressed victims regardless of who is oppressing them.

    You mentioned the saying that behind every strong man is a strong woman. So does that mean that when men oppressed women, there were really women behind it? I guess according to you, when a man is successful and strong, there is a woman behind it but when a man is a failure, it is the man's fault? Many insist that women take the credit for a man's successes (e.g., she gave birth to him, she helped him) but not for his failures. That doesn't sound fair.

    And history shows that most strong women came from strong men - their fathers and husbands who gave the women the money and other resources needed to be successful.

    If anyone wants to be strong and successful, s/he should do it on their own, not by simply waiting for an inheritance from a rich relative, marrying someone rich and divorcing them, or collecting welfare from the state to support a child they can't afford to support on her/his own.

    And it's not true that women could only get their rights through marriage. Many women did not marry in the late 19th century and early 20th century. They either worked as nurses, teachers, social workers, secretaries, seamstresses, laundresses and so on. That was better than many of the men who worked in factories, mines, slaughterhouses, construction or migrant laborers. There were women's colleges who catered to wealthy women as well as vocational institutions that provided training solely to women. In the U.S., the number of women who graduated from high school and college was always higher than the number of men who did so.

    And many rich women (heiresses) oppressed their poorer husbands. They even had prenuptial agreements designed to prevent the men from taking away any of their forturnes. And there were such things as widow's pensions and mother's pensions that helped women, not to mention the life-long alimony payments (called divorcee's pensions) divorced women received from their husbands. Men did not receive such payments.

    Furthermore, the stories of the hen-pecked husband have been around since classical times. There have been plenty of cases of women abusing men. A woman could ruin a man's reputation by claiming that he was abusive - much like today.

    You say that women have the right to control their lives. EVERYONE has a right to control her/his life. We should all have equal reproductive rights. If a woman can abort a child she doesn't want, give up a child for adoption after the child is born, or abandon the child in a safe haven (in the U.S.) then why can't a man walk away from a child he doesn't want?

    Why can't women reimburse the state for the free abortions and welfare they receive? People have to pay back their student loans and their mortgages. Why can't women be given 10 or so years to pay back the benefits they received from the state? They can treat an unwanted, unborn child like trash by aborting it and then treat the wanted child as a meal ticket after the child is born. Meanwhile, a man who wants his child can't stop a woman (even his wife) from aborting the child and he has to pay child support for around 20 years for a child he didn't want. Nine months of pregnancy give a woman such overwhelming power over the lives of children and the fathers of those children?

    What is the point of a man marrying a woman if the woman can:
    - abort the children he wants
    - divorce him for any reason (e.g., because she is bored)
    - take his money and property
    - take his children away and control when he sees those children, if he is allowed to see his own children at all
    - force him to pay child support (which she most likely will spend on herself and whatever new boyfriend she finds) for his own children, which he won't see as often as he likes.

    If women are so strong and independent as you claim, then there should be no need for unfair marital property settlements, alimony, abortion, child support and welfare.

    When two people divorce, the one who paid for the propery and earned the money should get most of it. If there are children, then there should be joint custody - the child spends one week at one parent and the other week at the other parent. If one parent can't afford to take care of the child, then the child should stay with the wealthier parent. Alimony and child support should only be given in rare circumstances - in cases of extreme hardship.

    Freedom and equality does not mean that someone else unfairly pays for the consequences of your personal choices. That is the problems with today's feminism - not your talk of machoism, men wearing skirts, men being afraid of other men and so on.

    And contrary to your accusation, there are more female losers than male losers. The difference is that female losers are supported by the state, the courts and society in general. Male losers are left to their own devices. There are more social services available to women than there are to men and this has always been the case.
















  81. Posted by: Liberty on 10/9/2012 10:02 PM
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    You told another poster that he clearly does not see the ways in which he is oppressing himself.

    Did he create laws that favor women in divorces? Did he create laws that force a man to live with the abortion of a child he wanted and to pay 20 years of child support for a child he didn't want? Did he have the power to decide that more medical funding should go towards diseases that affect women when compared to those diseases that affect men? Did he create the situation where male rape victims are often times treated worse than female rape victims? Did he create the situation in which social services are provided to women but not as much to men? Did he create a society in which men who are abused by women are villified and humiliated when they are not ignored altogether? Did he create an educational system that ignores males to the point where they are dropping out of high school and college?

    Yet, all someone has to do is say that a particular woman is gaining weight and feminists scream sexism. Someone points out that boys happen to do better than girls at math and feminists scream of a sexist educational system. They then create an educational system where math is dumbed down - they call it quantitative logic in which verbal explanations are substitutes for mathematical equations.

    And when men claimed that they are oppressed, many claim that the men are just losers with bad experiences. Well, can't we say the same thing of women who are oppressed? Isn't that true of all movements? People have bad experiences and they try to change it. Why are men's bad experiences less valid than women's bad experiences? Shouldn't we all try to create a society in which the law does not aggravate bad experiences?

    And you typed: "Feminism tries to debunk masculinity." What a sexist statement. To show you how biased that is, let me give you the following statement: "White societies debunk black societies." Do you see what is wrong with that? It implies that white societies are superior to black societies and that white societies need to debunk black societies so that the world will be a better place. You would scream racism if someone said that. Maculinity is not inferior. Femininity is not inferior. Male chauvinism is inferior. Female chauvinism is inferior. White chauvinism is inferior. Black chauvinism is inferior. And feminism, which is really a euphenism for female chauvinism in today's society, is inferior because it does not advocate true equality between men and women.

    Feminism has hurt both men and women. Marriages are a joke today. The number of people having children out of wedlock is now greater than the number of people how have children in wedlock.

    Getting married, having children, then divorcing your spouse and charging money for all of the services you provided to your spouse and children during the course of the marriage devastates families emotionally, spiritually and physically. There is no sense of belonging. It's all about money. Single mothers are the most stressed out. They are more likely to abuse their children and their children are more likely to drop out of school, become criminals and abuse drugs and alcohol. Divorced fathers are the most depressed because they don't see their children as often as they like and they become indentured servants to the child support system. Everyone is self-medicating and the TV and Internet ads for prescription drugs only aggravate the situation. The birth rates are low in the West because no one believes in family any more. Men and women in their fifties are acting like irresponsible college students - partying and engaging in promiscuity and substance abuse.

    What's next - parents divorcing their children because they are boring and then forcing those children to reimburse the parents for the cost of raising them ("childimony")?



  82. Posted by: Nat on 10/10/2012 2:44 AM
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    I am in University taking a Cultural Theory course on Feminism and Gender studies and the most common misconception is that feminism is about hating men. Feminism is actually all about equal rights and opportunity. Feminism is a common goal to end sexist oppression. Women and Men are not supposed to be against each other.
  83. Posted by: SYpeEsset on 10/14/2012 7:45 AM
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  84. Posted by: Alexander on 11/15/2012 7:16 AM
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    I see the world differently now. I am born again and I trusted King James Bible, and in Lord Jesus.

    From the perspective of the bible, I can see how the FEMINISM IS DESTROYING SOCIETY in EVERY WAY it can.

    Lenin said it. Marxist said it. Their COMMUNISM is leeched THROUGH FEMINISM and it is DESTROYING Civilisation as we know it, BREAKING families up, DRIVING a WEDGE between COUPLES, married or not, and children from parents.

    Who says FEMINISM is a good thing? They SHOULD DIG DEEP and FINDS the ORIGINS of feminism... it came from COMMUNISM, and communism is ANTI-LIFE! The women who PUSHES FEMINSIM are TRUE COMMUNISTS, they hides their pasts but if you know where, you can finds out who they are and where they came from. They came from EVIL, and as such, they wants everyone to LIVE JUST LIKE THEM... they refused to acknowledge that WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT, as made by GOD!

    Biblically, all women are not the same, just as all men are not the same. But there is a PRINCIPLE involve.

    Man is a leader, he also FOLLOWS God. Woman is a follower, she is HELP MEET to her Husband, but she also FOLLOWS God. Both are ONE, in ONE FLESH. They are FIRST to God, and FIRST to each other. Their children follows their example.

    Feminism destroys them, destroys everything, and invites themselves to tell them what to do and what to think and no one is happy.

    Communism have no true HAPPINESS in their SOULS.

    Communism DENIES that we have souls, spirits in our flesh.

    Even though the bible says we have THREE, Soul, Spirit and FLESH, just like God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

    Communism is ATHIESM, the deniel that there is GOD, Lord Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.

    Communism is an empty hollow thing. Therefore FEMINISM is an empty hollow thing.

    Living WITHOUT God is an empty hollow thing.

    LIVING WITH Lord Jesus, God in the FLESH, in the King James Bible, fills me up, I'm not hollow, empty thing, I'm filling with Lord Jesus' WORDS that strengthens me, and strengthens my FAITH in Lord Jesus!

    Can't say the same for the FEMINISM... it is a hollow, empty thing, just like the communism, athiesm, etc... all empty, all hollow.

    Dig DEEP, and you'll see the kinds of people who wants their anti-LIFE to destroy your way of life, install THEIR communism, athiesm, feminism, globalism, fascism, luciferianism, nazism, satanism, illuminism, etc... and replace YOUR love for God with their STATE....

    I figures this out... who has the MONEY to keep these crap going? Follow the MONEY and you'll see what kind of BROKEN human beings are pushing these sick, empty, hollow, AGENDAS.... follow the MONEY! These people who pushes these empty religions are all HOLLOW inside themselves, crazed, even insane in some sane ways. Look at them, see how they lives. They're like hypocrites, vipers, liars, total WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!

    Worse of all, they are TRUE SINNERS REVELLING IN THEIR SIN, in their HATRED of Lord Jesus and God and the true infallible bible, King James Bible.

    We're ALL created by God, and as such, since Eve's mistake in eating the APPLE, we ALL falls short of the glory of God, and ONLY Jesus can save us from our SIN-nature... John 14:6 KJB and these people who says we DON'T NEED Jesus? Well, they IGNORES Jesus's WORDS! Thus they are DOOMED to their SECOND DEATH in HELL FIRE, if they don't REPENTS to Jesus and ACCEPTS His FREE GIFT of Salvation.

    Really, it's simple to see. Jesus UNITES, whereas FEMINISM (Communism, fascism, nazism, socialism, etc) DIVIDES people, families, etc.

    It was SATAN himself who brought us all these EVILs... not God, not Lord Jesus. It was ALL Satan's FAULT.

    So I wouldn't worry about feminism... just look for the women who are NOT brainwashed, who refused to be brainwashed by the lies of feminism, etc. These ones are likely to be worthy of marriage, of true LOVE.

    FEMINISTS HATES FEMININE women... it's weird but true. FEMINISTS ARE UGLY, and they HATES FEMINITY, because FEMINITY makes women PRETTIER, even the PLAIN JANES are more prettier if they're FEMININE, and hates FEMINISM... and we men can SEE this difference. On the other side, plain janes who believes in FEMINISM are just plain uglier, for some reason. It's like inside, the light went out. Smotherred by the deathlight of feminism? Communism is so DEAD, it makes people DEAD inside. Spiritually dead, I mean. Horrible.

    Why let these poison invades your minds and souls? Don't. Say NO to the deadism, which is what feminism, communism, socialism, nazism, fascism, globalism, luciferianism, satanism, new world orderism, etc... they're DEAD spiritually.


    The ONLY thing that makes you ALIVE is Lord Jesus in the true words of King James BIble, no worries!

    Remember, John 14:6 KJB "Jesus saith unto him, I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: no MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6 KJB

    Right there, Jesus BLOWS all evolutionary theories, political theories (communism, feminism, socalism, globalism, fascism, nazism, etc) AWAY!

    The perfect women is Proverbs 31:10-31 KJB, where she STANDS by her MAN no matter what, and is VERY happy with her LIFE with her HUSBAND, and HER CHILDREN, and they ADORES her, and best of all, she PUTS Jesus, and her family FIRST, not some bullshit feminism, etc!

    Like God said, FEMININE women are GEMS, RARE gems, WORTHY of a good man who FOLLOWS Jesus all the days of his life!

    No worries!
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